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Atrocity · #51 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by akujin
i like darth_faction
you rock
:: starts darth_faction fan club ::

i may live in nj... but I'M NYC ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!

:: my ghetto-minority powers feel stronger by the second oO ::

PU NA NA!

if you all up in da nyc, then get yo ass ovah here

we'll chill by sunset park have Arroz con Picadillo y Yuca

akujin · #52 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 08:01 PM

oh my god... YUCA!
pero, i want some arroz con pollo, platanos fritos, and some FRITURAS! hell yeah oO

god i love being a cuban/dominican

Darth_Faction · #53 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Atrocity
the fact that they can't speak english says alot about thier chances in this country when compared to a person who can speak english very well as an american born, as much as everyone might respect eachother, its all a competition for jobs.. and the one with the most going for them wins.

in the end.. the government is only trying to remain as unbias as possible, even tho we all know thats a crock of shit for both sides of the spectrum.. (they're basically trying to cover thier ass)

also there is nothing bad about having a debate, even if respect is there.. the only thing I said about your post is that it came off ignorant.. note that I didn't say you were ignorant.

My question for you is, is that necessarily fair? Does the U.S. government owe everyone in the world a fair chance at getting a job over its own citizens, or given everyone money and a place to say simply because it is the most economically adequate country in the world. Does the U.S. government owe immigrants anything, and furthermore, is the United States budget made to support thousands of illegal immigrants who flood the borders by nightfall. A budget, mind you, that comes from years of citizenal taxing and securities sold over time. I understand the plight of your father when he came here, through what I imagine was a legal process, and he, in the existentialist sense, made a new life, and made his own life. Seeing as he is a professor built up from nothing, I can only have great respect for that, but what about the other people who come into a country, not taking the time and effort to learn crafts and languages essential to not only the American culture, but to its economy. Is America suited to needs and wants of those who find themselves underprivileged. Is the U.S. obligated as a wealthy n ation to pull everyone from third world countries in Africa into the United States simply because of their inability to function like you do.

If I were to answer this, I would tell you that the United States owes nothing to anyone but those who have given it something in return. Those who take the time to learn and understand the culture, and those who pay their taxes, just as others do, through the means that they were given by genetics.

You might call me egoist pig, self-righteous and close-minded, but my family was in the same position as many immigrating families in the United States today. We have opened our borders, now its that family's turn to make a use of that opportunity. Welfare is in appropriate, especially for nationals, and I would venture to say for immigrants as well. The U.S. is not some buoy for everyone to run to, a shelter for those who feel that they are mistreated, and a protective blanket to hide people from the cold. I've seen the consequences of places in the Middle East, Cambodia, Vietnam, and I'm truly sorry that the world is not fair. But simply put, it is not, and there's nothing that anyone can do about it. There are slums in the United States, so of course there are slums in the rest of the world, even to extents far greater. I hope you understand where I'm coming from with this. If I were going out on a limb, the way some people push and push for immigrants to get civil rights and minority programs for their own benefit, is more or less reverse discrimination. Don't get me wrong, I'm Italian, so in some parts of America I would be considered a minority, but I feel that you cannot ignore the majority of people in a country, in this case the Caucasion, for the benefit of those who aren't even citizens.

Here's a little disclaimer : I'm not trying to start anything, and I didn't mean to be offensive if I was. This is all for the sake of debate, that's why I hope everyone understands when I take all the time to say these things. I try to put a lot of thought into this so that I don't make myself, or you look stupid. I know that race is a very touchy issue at times, and I don't want it to explode.

akujin · #54 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 08:10 PM

u rock darth... oO
see? xero? she pretty much said one thing THE POLITE and SMART WAY!

you could've said the same thing you said but IN A NICER WAY

and from the looks of things (as i looked at the first few posts of this thread)
this isn't the first time you've made a thread like this... jesus, if i was admin or mod here.... there'd be a quick stop to threads like this oO, mainly cuz they're the repetative kind...

absolut xero · #55 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Darth_Faction
My question for you is, is that necessarily fair? Does the U.S. government owe everyone in the world a fair chance at getting a job over its own citizens, or given everyone money and a place to say simply because it is the most economically adequate country in the world. Does the U.S. government owe immigrants anything, and furthermore, is the United States budget made to support thousands of illegal immigrants who flood the borders by nightfall. A budget, mind you, that comes from years of citizenal taxing and securities sold over time. I understand the plight of your father when he came here, through what I imagine was a legal process, and he, in the existentialist sense, made a new life, and made his own life. Seeing as he is a professor built up from nothing, I can only have great respect for that, but what about the other people who come into a country, not taking the time and effort to learn crafts and languages essential to not only the American culture, but to its economy. Is America suited to needs and wants of those who find themselves underprivileged. Is the U.S. obligated as a wealthy n ation to pull everyone from third world countries in Africa into the United States simply because of their inability to function like you do.

If I were to answer this, I would tell you that the United States owes nothing to anyone but those who have given it something in return. Those who take the time to learn and understand the culture, and those who pay their taxes, just as others do, through the means that they were given by genetics.

You might call me egoist pig, self-righteous and close-minded, but my family was in the same position as many immigrating families in the United States today. We have opened our borders, now its that family's turn to make a use of that opportunity. Welfare is in appropriate, especially for nationals, and I would venture to say for immigrants as well. The U.S. is not some buoy for everyone to run to, a shelter for those who feel that they are mistreated, and a protective blanket to hide people from the cold. I've seen the consequences of places in the Middle East, Cambodia, Vietnam, and I'm truly sorry that the world is not fair. But simply put, it is not, and there's nothing that anyone can do about it. There are slums in the United States, so of course there are slums in the rest of the world, even to extents far greater. I hope you understand where I'm coming from with this. If I were going out on a limb, the way some people push and push for immigrants to get civil rights and minority programs for their own benefit, is more or less reverse discrimination. Don't get me wrong, I'm Italian, so in some parts of America I would be considered a minority, but I feel that you cannot ignore the majority of people in a country, in this case the Caucasion, for the benefit of those who aren't even citizens.

Here's a little disclaimer : I'm not trying to start anything, and I didn't mean to be offensive if I was. This is all for the sake of debate, that's why I hope everyone understands when I take all the time to say these things. I try to put a lot of thought into this so that I don't make myself, or you look stupid. I know that race is a very touchy issue at times, and I don't want it to explode.

ok thats pretty much exactly what i wanted to say....thanks DF..i think you got my point across..very well...if the person cant even learn english then why should we have to do things for them,when they cant even get to know the way of our country..

absolut xero · #56 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by akujin
u rock darth... oO
see? xero? she pretty much said one thing THE POLITE and SMART WAY!

you could've said the same thing you said but IN A NICER WAY

and from the looks of things (as i looked at the first few posts of this thread)
this isn't the first time you've made a thread like this... jesus, if i was admin or mod here.... there'd be a quick stop to threads like this oO, mainly cuz they're the repetative kind...

actually they arent repetetive at all..:meh: this was the first one... he was just referring to my other thread,as some elements are the same...and BTW darth faction is not a she

Atrocity · #57 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Darth_Faction
My question for you is, is that necessarily fair? Does the U.S. government owe everyone in the world a fair chance at getting a job over its own citizens, or given everyone money and a place to say simply because it is the most economically adequate country in the world. Does the U.S. government owe immigrants anything, and furthermore, is the United States budget made to support thousands of illegal immigrants who flood the borders by nightfall. A budget, mind you, that comes from years of citizenal taxing and securities sold over time. I understand the plight of your father when he came here, through what I imagine was a legal process, and he, in the existentialist sense, made a new life, and made his own life. Seeing as he is a professor built up from nothing, I can only have great respect for that, but what about the other people who come into a country, not taking the time and effort to learn crafts and languages essential to not only the American culture, but to its economy. Is America suited to needs and wants of those who find themselves underprivileged. Is the U.S. obligated as a wealthy n ation to pull everyone from third world countries in Africa into the United States simply because of their inability to function like you do.

If I were to answer this, I would tell you that the United States owes nothing to anyone but those who have given it something in return. Those who take the time to learn and understand the culture, and those who pay their taxes, just as others do, through the means that they were given by genetics.

You might call me egoist pig, self-righteous and close-minded, but my family was in the same position as many immigrating families in the United States today. We have opened our borders, now its that family's turn to make a use of that opportunity. Welfare is in appropriate, especially for nationals, and I would venture to say for immigrants as well. The U.S. is not some buoy for everyone to run to, a shelter for those who feel that they are mistreated, and a protective blanket to hide people from the cold. I've seen the consequences of places in the Middle East, Cambodia, Vietnam, and I'm truly sorry that the world is not fair. But simply put, it is not, and there's nothing that anyone can do about it. There are slums in the United States, so of course there are slums in the rest of the world, even to extents far greater. I hope you understand where I'm coming from with this. If I were going out on a limb, the way some people push and push for immigrants to get civil rights and minority programs for their own benefit, is more or less reverse discrimination. Don't get me wrong, I'm Italian, so in some parts of America I would be considered a minority, but I feel that you cannot ignore the majority of people in a country, in this case the Caucasion, for the benefit of those who aren't even citizens.

I think you should pay close attention to the posts I made and take note on the fact that I never once said the united states owed anything to anyone.

that response would have been effective If I would have said that

infact if you payed not even close attention (just have read my posts) you would have seen that I not only Love this Country with a passion. but also have much respect for the fact that they allow people to come IN to be able to do something with thier life.

I don't believe in giving out hand outs, but I understand why they do it. my family never got hand outs because we either weren't offered or we didn't accept. chances are there are people out there that either don't have the option to go out and get the benefits or either have too much pride to, in a country where an american born speaking fluid english gets a job in a Mcdonalds, they have no right to complain if a Mexican is thier manager and was given benefits to make it up there.. simply because the benefits won't make you rich.. it'll just give you what you need for the moment.

you know what makes certain immigrants excel over certain american born people? 2 very important things

Intelligence, and Work Ethic.

because there is no way in hell you can say that an immigrant with nothing has more opportunities than an american with all the cards on thier table.

if your going to say do the immigrants deserve anything with a response to NO, then you should also consider turning it around and saying do American born Citizens who have been given every opportunity to make it (english speaking, and native born)

its a harsh world.. the benefits are there for those who need them.. like the quote I got from my friend.. if you are born in this country and you need help from the GOV then its your own damn fault.

also you forgot the little fact that you can be a citizen without being born in this country, both of my parents are citizens. so in reality you should've just said american born.

Quote:

Here's a little disclaimer : I'm not trying to start anything, and I didn't mean to be offensive if I was. This is all for the sake of debate, that's why I hope everyone understands when I take all the time to say these things. I try to put a lot of thought into this so that I don't make myself, or you look stupid. I know that race is a very touchy issue at times, and I don't want it to explode.

No Offense taken, but this IS a debate, so expect it to get heated. and if its not, i'll make it heated cuz thats the way I like it

and don't worry about me, you really aren't able to make me look stupid;)

GunGrave · #58 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 08:21 PM

when i came here to US i dont know much about English but having different race or mixing race in any country is a good thing so at least that country will be popular to tourist and i dont think immigrants should be dissed or not able to come to US.

They have Passport their welcome... no PAssport not welcome

Coren · #59 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 09:58 PM

OH the irony is sweet, so many people are talking of success stories on how their parents came here and made something of themselves, my family is from here and no one has gone to college my mom has been divorced twice, my dad is a dead alcoholic whom I barely knew, my sister is a drug addict with a baby and my family relies on me to bring us out of borderline white trash....

#60 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 10:01 PM

why the Fuk do ppl always make threads and posts that insult ppl. the only ppl that should be insulted are the fukin KKK....racist bastards.