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Old 05-15-2004, 08:51 PM
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@Ranger - your stance on this is hypocritical. I don't think yankeefan is any more or less sensitive than you. He simply asked what purpose physical threats and ad hominem attacks have in a civilized debate. Clearly none. Whether you accept the possibility that his views are his own or not adds nothing to the debate.

If you want to threaten him because he doesn't believe what you believe then you are no better than Bush.
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Old 05-16-2004, 06:15 AM
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There's really nothing to be worked out, I don't think. Yankeefan1970 obviously has his opinions, and I obviously have mine. And so it stands.... It seems like some people here prefer political correctness over any sort of direct confrontation.
If that be the case, then why all the unpleasantries in your posts? Let's discuss opinions. Not who can beat the other one up.

It's not about being 'politically correct'. It's about being respectful of individuals and their opinions, EVEN if you disagree with those opinions. I don't agree with what you as right, but I still respect your right to hold the opinion.

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Now, yankeefan1970 obviously knows he's anonymous here, and that I [probably] couldn't track him down and do him physical harm even if I wanted to. And that wasn't really what I was implying anyway.
You're not implying that? Really? Then, why did you PM me asking for my address? Why did you follow up with another PM, using my real name (Joe)?

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I was just giving yankeefan1970 the opportunity to consider the possibility that if he wants to continue to parrot his neocon crap to people in real life it won't be very long before he comes face-to-face with somebody that decides to teach him a little political reality lesson by rearranging his face with their fists a little bit, one of these days.
I've sat down over a few beers with several people from the old SR forum, several of which are current members here. I don't think there was a single person there that held the same thoughts as I did. Yet, not a single one of them was ready to 'rearrange my face'. It was quite cordial, and I think every one of us learned something. Oh, the voices got raised a few times, but that was the extent of it.

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If he's willing to defend his convictions (along with his nose) that shouldn't be a problem for him. If he's not then he'd probably be better off keeping his views quiet or to himself, if he can, for his own welfare.
That is about the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. You don't like my views on the war (use of violence), but you're ready to use violence against me because of it. Or, you're suggesting that someone else will, and perhaps should.

I'm perfectly fine with expressing my views on things. I've done so with others who do not share my views. Infact, I've been getting together with several memebers of this forum on a semi-regular basis. We have a few drinks and discuss whatever topic comes to mind. It's not about beating our viewpoint into their head, but sharing views and experiences in an attempt to broaden our minds.

If you, or someone else wants to rearrange my face, I'm perfectly fine with that. For starters, violence against me isn't going to change how I think. The use of violence against me only shows that your own viewpoints are weaker than you would like, so you must resort to violence to build those positions up in your own mind.

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Anyway, if my comments have really offended people here the solution is both simple and elegant. I just won't post here anymore. If that's the general concensus just let me know. I don't have any problem with that.
It's your attitude. Feel free to post as often as you like, but keep the personal attacks out of your threads. Most definitely keep the threats of violence out. The whole purpose of this thread was to lighten things up. You've done just the opposite of that. Starting with additional personal attacks and then cranking up the heat with threats. You never actually answered one of the questioned I asked you... What specifically have your personally directed comments, or threats of violence, done to advance a thread or better the forum?

I said it previously, and I'll say it again because I really feel like you do need some sort of help. You obviously have very deep seated hatred, and I get the impression that it's wearing on your sensibilities. When you threatened me, don't you feel like that was just slightly out of line? You really do need to speak with a professional, and figure out what is causing all of this pain in your life. Otherwise, you just might do what you've threatened to and hurt someone. Can you really live with that? Hurting someone because they think differently than you?
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Old 05-16-2004, 05:21 PM
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Can you really live with that? Hurting someone because they think differently than you?
Lol...that's really a rather humorous question, just on the face of it. What exactly do you think soldiers actually do for a living? We routinely hurt people that think differently than we do, or than our country does, or our President does, or whoever. In fact, that's sort of the entire job description in a nutshell, when you get right down to it, isn't it? And I obviously have no problem with that, per se, or I would never have become a professional soldier in the first place.

That said, I really don't wish to confront you in person, or physically harm you, of course. That would just be a big waste of time, I'm sure.


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You're not implying that? Really? Then, why did you PM me asking for my address? Why did you follow up with another PM, using my real name (Joe)?
My PM was just a transparent hint (I thought it was, anyway) to see if you really believed that I couldn't find out virtually everything that there is to know about you, and your 'real-world' life, if I really wanted to, as you seemed to imply. Trust me: my access to resources in that particular area is simply beyond compare; you have absolutely no idea how extensive my ability to access supposedly "private" personal data on any given individual actually is. I'm sure you'd be totally shocked and appalled if you did. Anyway, you responded to that, and I replied to your response, simply mentioning your surname in the process. Just your surname and nothing more. It was just a subtle (and supposedly private = just between you and me) hint to you that I already knew a great deal about you (virtually everything that's really worth knowing, in fact) so far as the actual real-life person "Joe" and his 'real-world' private life are concerned. I thought you'd just take that little hint for what it was: If I had ever actually wanted to find you or harm you it would be mere child's play for me to do so.

I certainly didn't think it was right to air my knowledge of your real life and affairs here in the open forum, so I dropped that one gentle hint in a supposedly "private" PM, meant only for you, personally. And you have chosen to mention that in here, not me. If I had really wanted to do so I could have revealed much, much more about you, right here in the open forums, but I didn't.

And just for the record, I expect my PM's to remain private, now and in the future. Unless you really do want me to get downright nasty with you I'd advise you to keep my private PM's to you private, or be prepared to forfeit your own "real-world" privacy entirely in return.

If I was really all that pissed off with you I'd use the copious pile of info that I already have on you (acquired simply out of curiosity thus far) in some genuinely nasty way, like handing all of your private financial info and identity details to some professional identity thieves, just as one possible "for instance". That would surely be a lot more economical, and a hell of a lot more effective, than traveling all the way to Switzerland just to take a poke at you. It would take you a decade or more to get your financial identity straightened out and cleaned up again, and I wouldn't even need to get up out of my chair to do it. Trust me: the PM was just a polite, private "warning to the wise" about the dangers inherent in putting too much faith in the illusion of "personal anonymity" out here on the net. It was nothing more. I thought you were smart enough to figure that one out on your own. Guess not. My bad.

Others here obviously feel that I have crossed a few red lines with you, and Startup has politely asked me to cease and desist with the ad hominum attacks (after you forwarded my PM to him) and I'll certainly respect his wishes on this matter, and leave you alone -- or at least keep my replies to your posts here as free of ad hominum attacks as possible.

If you're smart you'll simply drop this subject, and forget about it. And so will I.
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Ah. Mighty Ranger bragging about his extraordinary abilities. What a sad sight.
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Ah. Mighty Ranger bragging about his extraordinary abilities. What a sad sight.
As exciting as a mini-cold war would be between you two, I am trying, via PMs, to cool down the tensions that have started here and I would appreciate it if everyone would agree to a peace accord and stop baiting each other.
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Heh, What's the big deal? Flame wars are very exciting. To look at. The latest one certainly makes me chortling with amusement. Where else could you see adults behaving like teenagers with a bunch of complexes?..



But, if you're uncomfortable with it, I'll shut up...
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Heh, What's the big deal? Flame wars are very exciting. To look at. The latest one certainly makes me chortling with amusement. Where else could you see adults behaving like teenagers with a bunch of complexes?..
But, if you're uncomfortable with it, I'll shut up...
Thank you. Flame wars are fine, but I think some of the posts lately have gone past mere flaming.
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