I haven't been here for a while, but when read all the titles of the new threads I found nothing about the European Commission. That surprised me especially because the believes of Buttiglione aren't that far from the ideas from some of the more conservative people in this forum.

Personally I think it's a good thing this man with his mind still in the 1950's is kept out of power, but somebody must disagree. Right?

Not much about buttiglione.
It is a typical example of the kind of mind frames democratic people need to feel morally superior and to give concrete examples of all their achievements relative to the individual.
All the european parliament were cheering up at the way they defeated that ugly monster whose ideas wouldnt have stood long in many non democratic countries, free for the dictatorial regimes established by democracies.
The attack was awckard since he targeted everyone by calling all those who dont share his points of view wimps and so.
All that said, that was clear that a guy like this could not have made his way up or kept a position by peppering up everything moving. I'm not even sure he could have managed with that speech in a muslim dictatorial country since he targeted everyone save himself and a few elected ones.

On the other hand, again, it seems to appear like a cheap victory like a decoy by democratic european people to hide they are seriously lacking on much more serious matters where their democratic achievements should really show, in comparison with all other regimes.

It looks like humans have changed since 1950.

They all use computers now, but as far as I know, there aren't any genetically modified who could contradict what Mr Buttiglione told. I think he told quite privately something about homosexuality being unnatural and wrong. Nothing more !
The filter applied by the European parliement to the behaviour of the Commission members is very interesting. This is not only about commies and socialists, but also some christian democrats and all the French "conservatives" who clearly spoke against Mr Buttigione. Lynching people who express very basic values is somehow the next step in the European decay accomplishment. The lie has become one of the greatest value the European Union promotes.

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From SR

Obviously I meant the narrow minded religious way people thought in the 1950's... :meh:

Buttiglione was supposed to protect EU citizens from discrimination. Most people in the EU (at least in the EU before the 10 eastern-European countries joined) believe everybody should be regarded equal, and should enjoy the same rights. Women, men, heterosexuals and homosexuals. How can you thrust someone who sees homosexuality as a sin to protect the rights of gay people? How can you let a man who believes a woman should stay at home and raise the children protect and further emancipation?Extreme conservatives like Buttiglione, who might even be considered more conservative then Bush when you look at social issues, have no place in EU positions which come with a lot of power and responsibility. Simply because there aren't enough people in the EU supporting such believes (=Democracy).
Buttiglione is a puppet from the Vatican, protected by the deeply corrupt rightwinger Berlusconi...

I believe in him because as you said it is good that he thinks they should. This does not mean a law against them. But they are not equal. Damned those who think you have the same equal natural and moral right to make children and live with opposite sex, than to be gay and raise other people children. This is simply insane. What the guy said are basic and fundamental laws for some good society.
It is pure speculation to understand what he privately said as some kind of moral law he wanted to promote. The guy, if he likes freedom as he promotes freedom for economy, would be even more happy not to rule over anything but to make some promotion, through education and those basic things a government uses to make things go naturally better.

So yes, homosexuality is a sin. Wife living home to raise children is better if one can afford. Much to say though about any help from the taxpayer regarding this. And much to say either about anything done against homosexuals. However, I do understand the problem in the Army. This is simply too dirty to explain, but anybody with some logic would. So there are definetly situations where homosexual attitude may be disqualifying.


About the 50s, I would be glad to knwo from which country. I suppose you mean Italy, because I am not sure I had such principles in my family at that time, nobody tied to them I mean.
And about Vatican, I would consider some influence from the Vatican better if it could replace some influence from the Mekka in Europe. I enjoyed better to bash some popists than I would some turbanned islamist. These are way too stupid.

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When I think of my previous conversations with you janlefev, I'm not surprised you support Buttiglione. You two share the same homophobic, narrow minded opinions that are based on the Bible.

It's a good thing that this kind of thinking is considered to be inappropriate in European politics.

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I guess gay necrophilia is out of the question?

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