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03-24-2004, 12:05 PM
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Is the West safer than it was on 9.10.01?
So are we? Which countries do you think are safer, and which do you think aren't? Why?
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03-24-2004, 01:20 PM
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Not sure what other countries are much safer now, but I know we sure in hell are not. Why? If an idiot can box himself up in a cargo box and get shipped to Texas via a cargo airplane then get delivered by UPS to someones door step that should tell you something right there, oh wait here is another thought what about the sub way systems, railways and trains? You can try to secure something as much as you can, but there will always be a back door in somewhere.
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03-24-2004, 01:27 PM
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Fact is that you can not secure public transportation. It is impossible.
AS far as the threat to the population goes I can only think it has only risen due to the US' attacks on two sovereign nations.
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03-24-2004, 03:44 PM
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hmmm, not entirely sure Iraq or Afghanistan would qualify as sovereign nations. I was against the invasion, and still am because of the way it has been handled, but suffice to say I believe it was the right course of action. Iraq has a long way to go, but millions are very relieved that Hussein has now gone. Still, I strongly disagree on the reasons given by the coalition, and I also dislike the selective process by which nations can be attacked by the US. And dont get me started on Guantanamo!
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03-25-2004, 12:37 AM
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I just know I'm going to get bitch-slapped for this, but I think we are at least marginally safer. It just seems to me that anytime your attention is focused on something, as our security forces have become, then you have to at least be marginally better off.
Let the slapping begin.
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03-25-2004, 01:23 PM
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@fatboy
I think you have a point with the re-focussing. But with the re-focussing yuo also bring more attention to it and thus the willpower and drive of any potential attacker has risen as well. The prestige is now higher than ever and any terrorist will go to extreme lengths to succeed in an attack.
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03-25-2004, 03:02 PM
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As long as the US of good ole A is run of the bases of corporate scandals, White White House Corruptions and the greedy need to control Oil, The US will never be safe, no matter how many eye scanners you throw in Air Ports, lets just come to a reality check and realize here that US of good ole A will never be safe.
America's biggest fear is America itself.
think about it and have a nice day.
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@Grisu - you have a point, if the attention we bring to it is offensive action against terrorists without regard to innocent civilians. Which, from many's perspectives, we have done. I'm just talking about defensive actions - increased border screening, increased border patrols, more human intelligence in the field, etc..
@hypedave - the question was "safer", not "safe". No one is ever safe, never will be. (Although an interesting study just came out a couple days ago that showed children today are much less likely to be victims of violent crime than their parents were - go figure. With all the hype on abductions, Amber Alerts, rampant drug use, date rape, guns in school, etc.. But I digress.)
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hmmm, not entirely sure Iraq or Afghanistan would qualify as sovereign nations. I was against the invasion, and still am because of the way it has been handled, but suffice to say I believe it was the right course of action. Iraq has a long way to go, but millions are very relieved that Hussein has now gone. Still, I strongly disagree on the reasons given by the coalition, and I also dislike the selective process by which nations can be attacked by the US. And dont get me started on Guantanamo!
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You may not have approved of either governement and/or ruler but the fact of the matter is that both were sovereign nations. Both members of the UN blah... Non acceptance of a government doesn't make the country not sovereign... If that was the case Cuba would have seized to be a soverign country a long time ago based on the US' disapproval of its gvt. and vice versa.
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@Grisu - you have a point, if the attention we bring to it is offensive action against terrorists without regard to innocent civilians. Which, from many's perspectives, we have done. I'm just talking about defensive actions - increased border screening, increased border patrols, more human intelligence in the field, etc..
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Even the defensive actions just make it that much more valuable as target. If I can hit the US as terrorist while all these measures are in effect, I not only achieve my initial goal of the attack but I also valueadd to it the emberrassment that the government was unable to stop it regardless of all the defensive actions.
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