You still have the nerve to ask? Take a good look at your answers, and then tell me if they are worth retorting.
And then, you keep saying things, and denying to have said them in the next post!!!
You gave the "invade any country" solution, and now you say you never pointed out such a thing...
What question do you have, other than smartass remarks? A REAL question?
Let´s have it then...
I think a workable solution has been presented hundreds of times, but you just can´t accept anything that doesn´t include kicking some third world ass or droping some bombs on someone.
I pointed out that you need to root the evil out, and not cut some of its branches, and what was your answer? This:
"Right. Our lascivious movies, our heretical speech, the unconscionable way we don't take control of our women, our misguided love of the Jews who control our every action. Or are you under the impression that all would be right in the world if we would just leave Iraq and Saudi Arabia?"
Yeah, great answer...
There are several things the US can do to stop terrorism, without firing one simple shot.
For starters, to find a way to bring peace to the middle east, wich means stop vetoeing every UN resolution about Israel.. By doing that, you eliminate about 50% of the reasons for anti-US sentiment.
Then you can start by stop being such a bully, and stop the arm twisting tactics. Stop meddling with other nation´s governments, stop sponsoring "coup d´etáts" left and right, and funding uprisals and blood baths across half the planet. Then you can do the smart thing and sign the international treaties, like Kyoto, the International Court, and nuclear non-proliferation(that means no Star Wars programs, no new weapons, and dismantling most of your current nuclear bio and chemical stockpiles). And finally, stop acting as the world´s allmighty cop, and pass that role onto the UN, where it belongs.
All this can be summed in one single action: to change your foreign policy.
If the US can do these very simple things, you would have eliminated 99.9999% of the anti-american sentiment out there. The remaining 0.00001% would be comprised of the leftovers of the US´s past insanities, like the families of the victims of your policy, that would eventually vanish in time.
In a decade or so, this world would become a safer place.
Heck, even if only half of this was achieved, this world would become unrecognizable!!!
And yes: leaving Iraq would help a lot aswell.Even the simple fact of transfering authority to the UN would get thousands of wannabe terrorists off your backs!! So why don´t you?:indeed:

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@ fatboy

Bitch of the couch? I for one have served the peace in Yugoslavia. I damn well know what I am talking about when it comes to war torn countries and have seen the problems first hand. If you want to know how Iraq is off turn off your tele, get in the plane and fly over there and take a look! What you see on the tube is not the real world out there! It is biased bullshit! You are allowed to selectively view certain material that will not upheave your morale (like it did during the Vietnam area when pictures like the nude girl running from the Napalm bombs could not be explained and/or be forgotten/erased). I have yet to see any report on the way people get by over there on a day to day basis, how the power and water supplies are getting fixed, how humaniarian aid is distributed or how the ever increasing drug problem is being attacked or maybe you can shed some light on how the gross of the population is being fed. The only things I can find in the media about Iraq is how many insurgents were killed, how many soldiers were killed and that oil is starting to flow again and that Halliburton, KBR and others in the inner circle of companies attached to GWB's enterage are doing damn well over there!
I am starting to get real annoyed with the attitude about just bombing everyone that doesn't mend to the American way (I have heard it several times "Make Lake Afghanistan out of that area"/Great site for Nuklear Target Practice etc.) NO NOT HERE!!!! There are others, well worth trying to explore. Peaceful and peaceloving ones, a toghether rather than a "my way or the highway". The American way is not neccesarily the best and by far not the only way! If you think that posting a "bomb the world/invade the world" message will get you to a "solution" you may want to rethink that as Hitler tried that approach and failed! You can't take over the world and if you try you will find out that you are doomed!

I just read the thread and I did not see him mention dropping bombs on anyone. I think you know him better than to portray him as a dumb redneck who wants to drop bombs on all 'them brown people, right?

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*Sigh* Here we go again.

Okay....... Yes, they are worth a reply. Because without an answer to them, you solution is incomplete.

What does your international terrorism czar do when countries don't want to cooperate, effectively creating a safe harbor for terrrorists to strike from and return to?
Are you chemically imbalanced? You find the quote and I'll eat my monitor and never show up here ever again. I will take out a full page ad in the New York Times telling the world that I was wrong and Swamp-thing was right. Find the quote.
Yes, I proposed these solutions, in this order:

"We could find out what they would accept in trade. Perhaps an Islamic US president? We could get rid of the Constitution in favor of the Quoran. Perhaps extermination of the Jews in Israel, or at least their forcible removal (though I think Osama would go for extermination first, you know payback and all)....Do we use all available resources to find these weapons, capitulate, appease, negotiate, wait until they're used?"

What would it take to justify an invasion?... Would the intelligence have to be 100%? The weapon verified visually by two, unrelated sources? Could it only be one source, albeit a trustworthy one? Under no circumstances would an invasion be called for?

Startup proposed this solution: "If the other country will still not allow us to apprehend the person or persons, we should use special forces to "acquire" him or them."

To which I replied: "I agree."

You suggested stronger border control, to which I agreed with caveats.

Out of all of these proposed solutions, you spend a page of rants bitching about one and attributing it to my beliefs when I have never supported it; in prior posts on this subject I have come out against it; I have clearly supported another plan; and have REPEATEDLY TOLD YOU THAT I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY THAT INVASION WAS A GOOD IDEA!
Where did I say that. Quote me.
I don't think that will work. Palestinian leaders do not want peace. As I've posted before, they have been offered numerous very good deals. In fact, they have been given exactly what they've asked for and then asked for more.
I agree.
WTF does any of this have to do with Islam, Jihad, or terrorism? You seem to be very confused about just what Islamic terrorists are after.

And idiots sign the Kyoto.
Agree. Even though I know the UN will never do the job I still believe we need to stop doing it for them.
Maybe a good portion, but we will always support Israel's right to exist as a state. And that just won't do for the majority of these terrorists. We will always be a free society with sex, drugs, and rock and roll. And that just won't do for the majority of these terrorists.
Even though the big clerics in Iraq don't want the UN there?

You may have noticed that I cut out a fairly large chunk of your post. Try as I might, I couldn't understand how any of what you wrote had anything to do with what this thread is about, what I wrote, or what I believe. But this part, cuts right to the quick.

When did I post "bomb the world/invade the world"? Please, quote me. I'll wait.

The best way to fight terror for a hypothetical president of a hypothetical country is to seek understanding as to why do people really hate your country, instead of offering imbecilic explanations like "they hate our freedoms". Once your know the cause, it's possible to manipulate the effect.

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I did not say YOU personally said that. I used to have a cartoon that showed a map with "Lake Afghanistan" and as comment "Problem solved". Just can't find it any more but it came around via e-mail. It is the attitude in the US that everything can be done with bombs and forcing people to democracy and the american way of life. The whole middle east had a social structure before anyone in the US even knew how to build a house and here is this infant of nations blessed with natural riches claiming to have found the holy grale of how to live together...

As far as Palestinians and Israelis go... there will never be peace because NEITHER side wants it. Period. Not the Jews nor the Arabs! The finger pointing as to who spins the spiral of violence where and when is pointless.

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From the start:
"I don't think it's a trivial point. What would it take to justify an invasion? I know we've had this discussion before but now we have a valid, real-life example. Would the intelligence have to be 100%? The weapon verified visually by two, unrelated sources? Could it only be one source, albeit a trustworthy one? Under no circumstances would an invasion be called for?"

"Wich country?" i asked.

"Any country that is unwilling or unable to pursue these terrorists within their borders."

"There are other ways of taking someone out. And if ALL the nations of the world were as committed to eradicating terrorism as they should be, invasions wouldn't be necessary."

In this above part, you are defending the invasion of any country harboring terrorists.
Now we go into the denial part:

"I only ask because, although it's quite clear that I haven't offered up any solutions ".

"I have clearly supported another plan; and have REPEATEDLY TOLD YOU THAT I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY THAT INVASION WAS A GOOD IDEA!"

I hope you enjoy your monitor sandwich. And since you pledged to post something on the NY Times, i expect you to be true to your word. You also said you would leave and never show your face again, wich although i´m inclined to agree you should, i won´t hold you to it.
Perhaps you can be a bit more carefull with what you post, so as to not fall in contradictions.
This concludes today´s class. Do you want ketchup with that monitor? Or a beer to push it down?

@Startup:
Since when do invasions take place without dropping bombs?
Fatboy is advocating invasion for any "rogue" state since we´ve met back in SR. The fact that he somehow "forgot" about it is not my business.

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This is so funny! It's like Sharereactor never died

fatboyshare vs Swamp-Thing...really feels like home