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Old 03-25-2004, 08:24 PM
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What do you think about the US Governments idea of creating a system (almost in Beta) to check travellers personal data against any and all law enforcement databases as well as run a consumer report on you the traveller and assign categories from green (no worries) to red (not permitted on an aircraft)?
If I could recall the exact name of the program I would post a link to it. It is something with Safe Traveler something rather.
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http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0333.xml

I'm not sure if this is the exact program you're talking about. I know the basics of the program. I think it's a good idea too. The consumer type report might be going a bit far, but checking one's credentials is perfectly fine, IMO.
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Old 03-26-2004, 08:50 AM
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No, this is for the international travellers only. The program mentioned above will be part of everyone's ticket buying experience and everyone will be forced to submit to it.
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what bothers me is what the hell does a credit report have to do with National Security?
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It depends on the screening process. If they screen everybody based on acceptable critheria, then itīs ok by me. But if they start pointing fingers to specific ethnic or religious groups, then the shit will hit the fan.
If thereīs an international database with names of known criminal and suspected terrorists, airport security can track them and ensure better safety for the public. Those known offenders have already a record with the national police, so there wonīt be any breech of a manīs right to privacy. The info would just be shared with more people than before.
Of course, iīm assuming this thing will be handled the right way. There are many ways this thing can turn into a major fuck up.
If innocent people start getting blacklisted because of ethnicity or religious affiliation, the fault will be on those who enforce the program, and not in the program itself. There is no reason to throw away perfectly good meat just because the cook is a total wanker, or is there?
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what bothers me is what the hell does a credit report have to do with National Security?
If you have a huge bank account and you work at a McDonalds, that's going to raise a flag. People without a source of income who have a lot of unexplained money would probably get a bit of scrutiny.

They always say you can locate the source by tracing the money. It's just an easy way for them to see if they need to look more closely at you.
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If you have a huge bank account and you work at a McDonalds, that's going to raise a flag. People without a source of income who have a lot of unexplained money would probably get a bit of scrutiny.
Hey, I work at McDonald's and I have a big bank account. Then again, I sell Big Macs out of my trunk on my days off. LOL
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If you have a huge bank account and you work at a McDonalds, that's going to raise a flag. People without a source of income who have a lot of unexplained money would probably get a bit of scrutiny.

They always say you can locate the source by tracing the money. It's just an easy way for them to see if they need to look more closely at you.
Believe it or not I have known a gentleman who was by "profession" a poker player. He had 0 income and no job (other than hang out at cassino's). His bank account would have made you awe and in this case he probably would be scrutinized for no reason.
In short, it is nobody's damn business if i bankroll and don't have a job (or a low paying one) as long as I don't have a criminal record and/or are suspect in an ongoing investigation!

You would have not stopped any of the 9/11 attackers that way as they all were international students on legal F1 visa's and hadn't broken any laws. Why subject anyone trying to travel to such scrutny???
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By the way here it is... It is called CAPPS II

What is CAPPS II?

The enhanced Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System (CAPPS II) is a limited, automated prescreening system authorized by Congress in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The system, developed with the utmost concern for individual privacy rights, modernizes the prescreening system currently implemented by the airlines. It will seek to authenticate travelers' identities and perform risk assessments to detect individuals who may pose a terrorist-related threat or who have outstanding Federal or state warrants for crimes of violence.

http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?th...00051980088d91


LOL a little down on the myths and facts page they state:

Myth: CAPPS II will run a criminal background check on every passenger.

It will assess the identity of every passenger by matching limited information about the traveler, including name, date of birth, address, and phone number, with commercially available information. This check is done between databases outside of a government firewall. CAPPS II will not bring any information contained in the commercial databases into the government's system.

CAPPS II also performs a risk assessment, including a check against lists of terrorists and known or suspected threats, to detect individuals who may pose a terrorist-related threat or who have outstanding Federal or state warrants for crimes of violence.

If they do not run your criminal background check, how the hell will they know of state and federal warrants????

Ya, I sure believe their lies about this system as well as that they are not datamining etc.

Who will control it anyways
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