So what do you think about this backdoor Draft

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I think some people can now get out their "I told you so" signs

But is anyone actually surprised, that the Bush administration is trying to do this through the backdoor?

Since Bush has shown that war is the first option to any perceived crisis, I predict that a lot of people will be getting those happy little letters to report for service.

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Well, actually i am. Making headway to instate a draft behind people´s back will only be counterproductive for the Bush administration´s goals, so i don´t know what the hell are they thinking of.
The draft was almost a sure thing, however the terms in wich it presents itself are quite a surprise.
Exactly when the Bush admin needs public support the most, this under-the-table dealings will cut off many would be supporters for the coming elections. Many people will consider carefully the chance that their husbands, sons and grand-sons might end up fighting a war they didn´t wish for, and they might lash out against Bush, using the elections as a very effective weapon.
Of course this all depeds on what Kerry has in mind, regarding Iraq and the draft, if he wins. If Kerry´s policies don´t stand out clearly from Bush´s in these issues, chances are many people will be left in a political limbo, and even abstein or vote for some other obscure candidate.
What i wasn´t surprised to find out was about that Canada not being an option for draft dodgers. If the Bush admin had clear intentions of instating draft, they had to close the backdoor to prevent many thousands of young men who would rather jump country than serve in a war they don´t agree with. They still have the conscience objector card to play, if that´s allowed in the US. Or they can go south, instead of north.
Or maybe France will vounteer to receive them as aplicants for political asylum! That would be a laugh!


That letter is where we separate men from boys. There are a lot of would-be Rambos spewing fighting words from the confort of their living room. Let´s see how many hold up to those words and do their part, and how many tuck their tales between their legs and run for cover, now that they are bound to end up in Iraq´s bubbling caldron.
We´ve all heard them, "I would blast them all to hell", "kill´em all", "bomb those ragheads to the stone age" and that sort of thing. But now that there is actually a good chance they might findselfs buried from the neck down in that shithole, it will be fun to see how many keep their "high spirits".
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These bills have been floating around Congress since January 7 of 2003. S89, submitted by Hollings (a democrat) has no co-sponsors in the Senate and is stuck in committee. HR163 is likewise stuck in committee, though it does have 14 co-sponsors, all democrats.

In a Republican controlled Congress these bills have no hope of living. If they make it past Congress, they have no hope with a Republican president.

The desire to jump on Bush for every ail and ill is so strong, it's almost funny.

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Who are they?

Sen. Fritz Hollings:

"Senator Hollings serves as Ranking Member on the Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee where he champions a wide range of issues such as telecommunications, transportation security, consumer protection, coastal preservation and research, and trade policy."

"As a result of the September 11th attacks, Hollings led the effort to pass transportation security legislation for our nation's port, railroad, and aviation systems in an effort to bolster national security and protect American citizens."

Rep. Rangel:

"Sen. Hollings, a combat veteran of World War II, supported the resolution allowing President Bush authority to use force in Iraq while Rep. Rangel, a combat veteran of the Korean War, was a strong opponent of a similar resolution. However, both are in complete agreement that, if military action is considered necessary, then the burden of carrying out that action must not be limited to any one segment of the population. "

http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/press/2003124C22.html

Rep. John Lewis,
is a former civil rights leader. Couldn´t find much on him.

Congressman Neil Abercrombie:

"Congressman Neil Abercrombie today voted for a Congressional resolution urging reversal of yesterday’s ruling on the Pledge of Allegiance by a three-judge panel of 9th Circuit Court of Appeals."

"Ritual is the conserver of values, and the Pledge of Allegiance is one of our most important rituals. It affirms, strengthens and inculcates the values of freedom and patriotism. Like the rest of the Pledge, the reference to God is ceremonial. In my view it does not violate the Constitution’s prohibition against the establishment of religion, nor does it violate the principle of separation of church and state."

http://www.house.gov/abercrombie/newstat7.htm

"Abercrombie announces $43 million in Army construction contracts"

"Abercrombie announces $43 million in Navy construction contracts"

"Abercrombie announces award of Army research contract to UH Options could raise total to $49 million"

"Abercrombie announces $10.1million military contract"

"Abercrombie votes tax relief for military families"

"Abercrombie wins approval for $227 million for isle military construction"

"Abercrombie announces $35 million Navy construction contract"

"Abercrombie announces bioterrorism funds for Hawaii hospitals"

"Abercrombie honored by Army Reserve"

"Abercrombie requests hearings on military operations in the Philippines"

(Does this guy have a hard on for the military or what??)

Rep. Pete Stark:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/870014/posts

"Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., likens President Bush to a terrorist and genocidal Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein."

http://www.house.gov/stark/news/press_archives.htm

Congressman Jim McDermott:

http://www.capmag.com/articlePrint.asp?ID=1966

"They (Iraqi officials) said they would allow us to go look anywhere we wanted," Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., said on ABC's "This Week." "And until they don't do that, there is no need to do this coercive stuff where you bring in helicopters and armed people and storm buildings."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/89177_iraq30.shtml


MY COMMENTS:

Yes, it pains me to say the guys behind the draft bill are democrats, every last one of them. But they are a strange bunch, i´ll tell you this much!
One has a strange idea of patriotism, another has a hard on for everything that is military, another seems to think the iraqis were open and welcoming inspections, and yet another has some huge contributions made from several lobbys, and...
Well, you guys figure it out. I took the time to search for all this crap, the least you can do is read it.
But in final analysis, i think this bill doesn´t have Bush´s trademark, at least not on the surface.
Give credit where credit is due.

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Anyone happen to notice that Hillary Clinton is now stating that the US needs a larger military?

How soon is it going to take the Bush pundits to realize that it's the democrats who are all in favor of the draft and an increased military? Will they ever? Or, will they continue to harbor hatred for Bush because "he's the one pushing the draft"?

Fatboy said it best.

It really is quite amazing how selective memory can work its magic. Many (most?) Europeans have stated that they loved Clinton, that we had no troubles with the world (them, anyway) when Clinton was president. They accuse Bush of being bellicose and overly free with the military. They choose to forget that Clinton deployed US troops to more countries than any president in history and continues to hold that distinction. They rail Bush for his wanton disregard of the UN and choose to forget that Clinton did not seek UN Security Council approval on numerous occasions: Haiti, Serbia, Kosovo, Sudan, and Afghanistan. They accuse Bush of having imperialistic goals, and choose to foget that Clinton's reasons for launching military operations on Haiti, Serbia, and Kosovo were expressly designed to topple the current governments.

Yet Clinton is the favored son and Bush is the reckless cowboy.

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