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09-29-2004, 01:04 PM
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I believe there should be a law, but not imprisonment in jails, but confining such individuals in mental hospitals so they can get treatment they desperately need.
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do you believe we should do the same with homosexuals? we can force them into hospitals, where they will receive treatment to help them become normal again.
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09-29-2004, 01:17 PM
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Who ever stated that homosexuals are mentals?
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09-29-2004, 01:39 PM
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The problem with not having some sort of law stipulating that doing those types of imoral things are wrong, then the people that do them and really need help...will not get it!! I believe there should be a law, but not imprisonment in jails, but confining such individuals in mental hospitals so they can get treatment they desperately need. If someone could do such imoral acts, without help, they may escelate to more serious offences.
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The problem with having a law is that we have to enforce it consistently. That means that if an otherwise law-abiding citizen who is otherwise socially well adjusted, likes sex with corpses, then we must prosecute this person as a criminal for having sex with corpses. If, in their entire life, they had done nothing wrong other than this act, we still must prosecute them as a criminal because the law says so. This person might be a leader of industry. This person might run a charity or work at one. They might be man of the year, but they have a problem and would be prosecuted as a criminal. Regardless of who they are (we don't choose to prosecute or not based on one's job), they are definitely particpating in an abnormal act. How is a criminal record going to help this person?
Another problem is that criminal proceedings are a matter of public record. That means that anyone can find out that this person was convicted of necrophilia. Future employers will find out, so will others. Likely this will be considered a "sex crime" so this person will be listed as a sex offender as well. This is the result of criminalizing necrophilia. If you must file criminal charges, breaking and entering (as listed in the article) is enough of a charge and the Judge can accept a plea arrangement where the culprit is required to seek counseling.
Yet another problem with more laws (in general) is that it means more restriction on freedom. I presume you know of the term the "slippery slope". Today we say an adult cannot have sex with corpses. Tomorrow we say they cannot have sex with animals, next we say they cannot have sex with humans of their own gender, after that we say they cannot participate in S&M, sodomy or group sex, etc. Regardless of whether I agree with any of the above acts (I don't), I don't think that people who do some of these things should be considered criminals. I also don't want someone monitoring my bedroom to see if I'm doing these things or doing anything else they think is "wrong". The United States is supposed to be a nation of freedom and even though I may completely disagree with something that someone else does, I respect their freedom to do so.
Remember that laws require punishment of crimes. Punishment is not "geting counseling" or "going to a psychiatric hospital". Punishment is imprisonment or fines or both. People who are "punished" by being placed into a psychiatric hospital are generally placed there because they are considered incapable of standing trial, or the hospital is truly a prison where the patients are criminals who are considered insane. This is where such a law will put necrophiliacs.
I agree that necrophiliacs need help to restrain their tendencies towards necrophilia. I suspect that, just like pedophiles, necrophiliacs will never be "cured" but, just like pedophiles, can at least be taught to restrain their actions to bring them in line with the rest of society. Unlike pedophilia, however, the only (living) person who is injured by the necrophiliac is the necrophiliac themselves. A law against necrophilia will serve to harm others (the necrophiliac's family, employees, etc. as well as the corpse's family).
Let me state this clearly. I find the thought of necrophilia repulsive. I am totally against this act. Making it illegal, however, will cost money, cause harm to people and will produce little good.
-- Jeff
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09-29-2004, 01:55 PM
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The problem with having a law is that we have to enforce it consistently. That means that if an otherwise law-abiding citizen who is otherwise socially well adjusted, likes sex with corpses, then we must prosecute this person as a criminal for having sex with corpses. If, in their entire life, they had done nothing wrong other than this act, we still must prosecute them as a criminal because the law says so. This person might be a leader of industry. This person might run a charity or work at one. They might be man of the year, but they have a problem and would be prosecuted as a criminal. Regardless of who they are (we don't choose to prosecute or not based on one's job), they are definitely particpating in an abnormal act. How is a criminal record going to help this person?
Another problem is that criminal proceedings are a matter of public record. That means that anyone can find out that this person was convicted of necrophilia. Future employers will find out, so will others. Likely this will be considered a "sex crime" so this person will be listed as a sex offender as well. This is the result of criminalizing necrophilia. If you must file criminal charges, breaking and entering (as listed in the article) is enough of a charge and the Judge can accept a plea arrangement where the culprit is required to seek counseling.
Yet another problem with more laws (in general) is that it means more restriction on freedom. I presume you know of the term the "slippery slope". Today we say an adult cannot have sex with corpses. Tomorrow we say they cannot have sex with animals, next we say they cannot have sex with humans of their own gender, after that we say they cannot participate in S&M, sodomy or group sex, etc. Regardless of whether I agree with any of the above acts (I don't), I don't think that people who do some of these things should be considered criminals. I also don't want someone monitoring my bedroom to see if I'm doing these things or doing anything else they think is "wrong". The United States is supposed to be a nation of freedom and even though I may completely disagree with something that someone else does, I respect their freedom to do so.
Remember that laws require punishment of crimes. Punishment is not "geting counseling" or "going to a psychiatric hospital". Punishment is imprisonment or fines or both. People who are "punished" by being placed into a psychiatric hospital are generally placed there because they are considered incapable of standing trial, or the hospital is truly a prison where the patients are criminals who are considered insane. This is where such a law will put necrophiliacs.
I agree that necrophiliacs need help to restrain their tendencies towards necrophilia. I suspect that, just like pedophiles, necrophiliacs will never be "cured" but, just like pedophiles, can at least be taught to restrain their actions to bring them in line with the rest of society. Unlike pedophilia, however, the only (living) person who is injured by the necrophiliac is the necrophiliac themselves. A law against necrophilia will serve to harm others (the necrophiliac's family, employees, etc. as well as the corpse's family).
Let me state this clearly. I find the thought of necrophilia repulsive. I am totally against this act. Making it illegal, however, will cost money, cause harm to people and will produce little good.
-- Jeff
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I still believe these people need some sort of phyciatric help, and without law enforcement they will not recieve this help. As I said before I do not believe a jail sentence is appropriate, but they definitely have a few screws loose and that could always lead to other crimes.
We have seen cases of S&M that have lead to rape etc...because they are always searching for the thrill....like a drig addict...they start smoking pot and could escelate to heroin because pot no longer satisfies that craving for the rush.
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Yes..because homosexuality is not real ..
I seriously dont mean that..but sometimes i just think the people arent gay...just acting for attention..
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Man, I'm too sleepy to read all this. I will later but lemme say.
Yo people are really sick. Have some respect for the dead damn it. Would you mind if I do you after you die ? See what I mean.
It's a moral issue, what has the world come to that people actually say banning sex with corpses is bad. Talk about mentally sick.
This thread is really depressing and I didn't even read it.
SHAME ON YOU !!!
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09-29-2004, 04:21 PM
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I still believe these people need some sort of phyciatric help, and without law enforcement they will not recieve this help. As I said before I do not believe a jail sentence is appropriate, but they definitely have a few screws loose and that could always lead to other crimes.
We have seen cases of S&M that have lead to rape etc...because they are always searching for the thrill....like a drig addict...they start smoking pot and could escelate to heroin because pot no longer satisfies that craving for the rush.
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I also believe they need psychiatric help. We agree on that. I simply think that making them criminals doesn't get us there. Making these people criminals gets them in jail or in prison or fined. There aren't laws against (most) perversion simply because making them criminals simply cannot help them.
People either want to change or they don't. If they don't want to change, no amount of laws or counseling will change them. If they do, they'll likely seek their own counseling. I believe it is reasonable for them to be prosecuted for breaking and entering, but prosecuting someone for having different tendencies is not going to solve things, likely it will make them worse.
By the way, we don't prosecute people because they might do something. Yes, someone who practices S&M might eventually commit rape, but we cannot arrest them or prosecute them for rape until they attempt it because we don't know that they will, only that they might.
Let me ask you the following about the law against necrophilia:
1) Is it a sexual crime?
2) Who is the victim/injured?
3) What is the damage done?
4) Should it be a felony or a misdemeanor?
5) What should the sentence be? Remember, we're talking about crime here, so counseling is not an appropriate sentence, only incarceration (which can include counseling) or fines.
6) What is the threat to or negative impact on society (generally with laws about morals, they are passed because of a threat to or negative impact on society)?
7) How should it be enforced? In other words, should the police be able to look into someone's bedroom who they suspect of practicing necrophilia? What evidence would the police need for a warrant? Should cameras be set up in all places where dead people are commonly found (e.g. morgues, funeral homes, etc)?
It isn't that I'm supporting necrophilia. I'm against adding more laws in general and specifically ones that cannot show a great benefit.
-- Jeff
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09-29-2004, 04:53 PM
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Would you mind if I do you after you die ? See what I mean.
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This may surprise you, but if you did, then I wouldn't mind. Though this could turn into a religious debate, which we have enough threads for, since I don't believe in an afterlife or reincarnation, so once a person dies the corpse is simply an object. It's no way worse than say, having sex with a pie.
The main reason laws are made, is because the illegal offense hurts either the offender or the victim, or others around them. Take for example the use of illegal drugs. Those drugs are illegal because they are addictive and can kill a person. Most other illegal offenses are illegal because they hurt, whether it be emotionally or physically, or in other ways, such as stealing their possessions, another person. Necrophilia is no more dangerous than having sex with a living person. It does not affect anyone else. Therefore, I see no reason to make it illegal. I also see no reason to force people into going to counseling, because, like laws, most counseling are for things that can eventually hurt them, such as alcoholism, drug addiction, mental problems, etc.
Next law: picking your nose is illegal.
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i wonder where the ACLU is in all this? they were all over gay rights, but when necrophiles are being oppressed, they remain silent. could it be that they are a bunch of necrophobe bigots?
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09-30-2004, 03:31 PM
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This may surprise you, but if you did, then I wouldn't mind. Though this could turn into a religious debate, which we have enough threads for, since I don't believe in an afterlife or reincarnation, so once a person dies the corpse is simply an object. It's no way worse than say, having sex with a pie.
The main reason laws are made, is because the illegal offense hurts either the offender or the victim, or others around them. Take for example the use of illegal drugs. Those drugs are illegal because they are addictive and can kill a person. Most other illegal offenses are illegal because they hurt, whether it be emotionally or physically, or in other ways, such as stealing their possessions, another person. Necrophilia is no more dangerous than having sex with a living person. It does not affect anyone else. Therefore, I see no reason to make it illegal. I also see no reason to force people into going to counseling, because, like laws, most counseling are for things that can eventually hurt them, such as alcoholism, drug addiction, mental problems, etc.
Next law: picking your nose is illegal.
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You make a VeeeeeeeeerY small point here man. Also, picking your nose is nowhere near that.
Even with no religion, your body is something you have before birth till death. I think it should be respected. Please don't debate me on this and keep what you think to yourself because I really am not in the mood for such a pointless discussion. Thank you.
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