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09-24-2004, 09:04 PM
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So, it will influence others...your point? Keep in mind we live in a secular country, so "God doesn't want us to do that" means nothing. As for the rebels and what not, Who says the person were HIV positive?
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09-24-2004, 10:06 PM
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It was just a kinda "joke" about the HIV, its not certian that the person had HIV or AIDS...well anyways, it will influence others, because the ideas will be spread around and then curious people will want to try it just for the hell of it and then figure out it feels awesome then it'll be all nasty...ew.
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09-25-2004, 12:03 AM
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It was just a kinda "joke" about the HIV, its not certian that the person had HIV or AIDS...well anyways, it will influence others, because the ideas will be spread around and then curious people will want to try it just for the hell of it and then figure out it feels awesome then it'll be all nasty...ew.
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Necrophilia is centuries old. It isn't some new idea that has to be spread. I personally find the idea repugnant, but passing a law for that reason is wrong. Laws should exist only to serve a public interest. As I wrote above, if the dead person had documented that they had chosen their body to serve in a sexual relation and if they had been old enough to consent to such a union, then this perversion shouldn't be illegal. Immoral, yes (obviously), but not illegal. If the dead person had made no such statement, then the act could not be considered consentual and in that case, necrophilia would be strictly forbidden (just as any non-consentual act).
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09-25-2004, 07:44 AM
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Where I disagree is that necrophilia is not likely mutually consentual.
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that is a good point, while i consider a rotting corpse merely an object, i had been thinking about cryosuspension of my body in liq N2 after my biological death. in which case it would be useful if i had certain rights as a dead person, especially the right to own property. iirc in all but one small european country one cannot hold accounts if dead, so it would be a problem for me to keep my money until i am recessitated in the distant future.
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did you mean California or Canada?
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i meant california. here is the story:
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Schwarzenegger Signs Bill Banning Sex with Corpses
Fri Sep 10, 2004 06:02 PM ET
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Having sex with corpses is now officially illegal in California after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill barring necrophilia, a spokeswoman said on Friday.
The new legislation marks the culmination of a two-year drive to outlaw necrophilia in the state and will help prosecutors who have been stymied by the lack of an official ban on the practice, according to experts.
"Nobody knows the full extent of the problem. ... But a handful of instances over the past decade is frequent enough to have a bill concerning it," said Tyler Ochoa, a professor at Santa Clara University School of Law who has studied California cases involving allegations of necrophilia.
"Prosecutors didn't have anything to charge these people with other than breaking and entering. But if they worked in a mortuary in the first place, prosecutors couldn't even charge them with that," Ochoa said.
The state's first attempt to outlaw necrophilia, in response to a case of a man charged with having sex with the corpse of a 4-year-old girl in Southern California, stalled last year in a legislative committee.
Lawmakers revived the bill this year after an unsuccessful prosecution of a man found in a San Francisco funeral home drunk and passed out on top of an elderly woman's corpse.
The new law makes sex with a corpse a felony punishable by up to eight years in prison.
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Eww that is just gross...And it shouldnt be allowed.
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i think anal sex and picking the nose and farting in elevators is gross too, but i do not want a law banning it.
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09-25-2004, 07:59 AM
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I agree with zteccc and genius. thedevilf, immorality isn't grounds for making it illegal, though most crimes are also immoral.
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09-26-2004, 09:19 AM
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I am all for making necrophilia illegal. However, those who are caught should not be thrown in jail or fined, but offered counciling to help them over come their mental stae of mind.
Saying that there isn't anything all that bad about necrophilia is like saying that you are fine with people commiting acts of paedophilia.
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09-26-2004, 12:32 PM
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^^^ TRUE
Im agreeing that just dont lock them up...send them to a anti-nechrophellia institution or something..like a mental institution to explain to them and stuff not to do it and why..and if they end up digging graves and having sex with the bodies...then lock em up.
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09-27-2004, 11:51 AM
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I am all for making necrophilia illegal. However, those who are caught should not be thrown in jail or fined, but offered counciling to help them over come their mental stae of mind.
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Here's the problem Shane,
When a law is created making something illegal, there must be penalties for committing the illegal act. Those penalties don't include "offering" anything. If we were to want to get counseling for these people, we would have to "require", not "offer" the counseling (unless the alternative to the offer was a fine or imprisonment, etc.). Once it is "required" then the government has to pay for it (that is you and I and all taxpayers). So now you have a law that requires taxpayers to pay for possibly long-term counseling for someone with a sexual perversion. That's some pretty big bucks you're talking about. In comparison, a if we fine them, taxpayers get a net gain, and the person can be fined plus put on probation which can include counseling at their own expense (if they don't do the counseling, they are put in jail).
Of course, counseling is going to take years to explain to them that necrophilia is wrong (something they already know) and that they are practicing an unhealthy behavior (something else they already know). In the end, necrophiliacs, like pedophiliacs will likely never truly change. Most pedophiles will tell you that they aren't cured, but instead must practice restraint every day. So we're going to spend money (or make them spend money) to tell them soemething they already know and then we're going to have to deal with repeat offenders in a harsher manner.
Of course that all applies if you want such a law. While I am very, very opposed to necrophilia (and other sexual perversions). I don't believe a law is needed for this. First, I think California has enough problems of a more serious nature that they shouldn't be wasting their time on this. Second, Breaking and Entering should be plenty to charge these people with. I suspect that someone who worked at a funeral home would be terminated immediately if they were found doing this. Third, despite the repulsivenes of the act, I suspect that it is hard to classify this crime.
Is this an act against a person? If so, rape laws cover this and we don't need a necrophilia law.
If this isn't an act against a person (which it clearly isn't because the prosecutors in the article didn't use rape laws), then it is an act against property (we're relegating corpses to property status). This could impact the validity of organ donor cards and requests for a certain method of disposing of a body. You open the door to arguments about who "owns" a corpse. Example: A husband dies and wants to be an organ donor. His widow doesn't want this. His children suppor their father's wishes. Who "owns" the corpse and gets to decide what happens? What if the children are minors? What if the children are adults, but the wife is his second wife? This is a huge can of worms you open.
Right now there are laws being used in ways their authors never considered. It won't surprise me when this one is used in this sort of fashion and those who want more laws will only have themselves to blame.
-- Jeff
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09-27-2004, 01:56 PM
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I believe that if you are practicing necrophilia, your place is not in a jail but in a psychiatric hospital !
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09-27-2004, 01:59 PM
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Illegal means, basically by default, that there's a fine or jail time or something similar (probation, community service, etc.) attached to it. It shouldn't be illegal, just like masturbating isn't illegal, which is bad in some people's eyes and is considered to be a sexual perversion by some.
Basically, my view is if people want to have sex with corpses that's fine, have fun, it should be legal, but if you obtain the corpse illegally that's obviously a crime (gravedigging and the like).
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