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I have read a lot of crap on the internet, but this sounds plausible. Does anyone have any comments?

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Hydrogen cars are vaiable and could get mass produced. The Hybrid drives could be in ALL models but aren't. The car industry has to move, get their shit straight and then make us independant from the arab oils and thereby aide everyone not be dependant on a rather unstable part of the world.
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I have read a lot of crap on the internet, but this sounds plausible.
what sounds plausible? did you forget a link?
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what sounds plausible? did you forget a link?
Yes I did.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Introduction.html
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OIL is finite and we all knew it ever since we started using it!

Well there are alternatives for oil:

cars: Hydrogen is a vialble solution, however there is no infrastructure. If the gvt and the industry would want to they could just get this kicked off and make us at least transportation wise independant from oil... Hybrrid cars would at least lower the amount of fuel needed. Whenever the hydrogen cars come, we will not have to worry about crap any more as we don't have a problem since we don't burn a boatload of it.

energy: Nuclear power is safe, there is enough space to build them in population starved areas and we will be able to stop burning of oil, gas and cole.

Also, renewable energies e.g. solar panels on the houses would improve the energy usage. at least where you have enough sunshine.
I am looking at covering part of my roof with it to save $ on my electric bills... Living in an aera where I do never get covered by snow it would be a 365 days of production of energy... FREE OF POLUTION. If the gvt. would be willing, they could give incentives for homeowners to do so and even force electric companies to purchase the overage not used by this home owner to support other businesses (Germany has had a pilot program 8 years ago with just those ideas encompassed).... I am dreaming for that to happen in the US... I know but a nice dream it is!
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Ok, but oil is used to make alternate energy sources (e.g. solar panels) and isn't there an issue with regard to how much energy it takes to produce energy with regard to hydrogen power, etc.?
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There is but the amount used to produce alternative energies is much less than what we currently burn driving around....

But there are a couple of websites about solar panels and such in the US.

http://www.bpsolar.com/
http://www.kyocerasolar.com/
http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=shellsolar
http://www.uni-solar.com/

BP and Shell are allready involved. Does that mean they realized what is going on?
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How much longer before gas hits $5.00 or even $7.00 a gallon?
that has already happened in my country, it is no big deal, people still buy big cars and drive a lot.
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if i could predict that, i would become obscenely rich. the market crashes every once in a while but historicaly over time it goes up.
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*yawn* civilization is coming to an end, the climate will collapse, half of the animals will become extinct, you will suffocate, the forrest will die, the ozon layer will dissolve, people are going to starve, water will have to be rationed, earth is freezing over... unless you buy my books, donate me all your money, join my church and elect me. so wake up!

there is more than enough oil to last beyond your lifetimes it is just getting harder to get to it, but as technology advances and the price for oil goes up, it becomes profitable again to reopen old oilfields and to exploit them further and to drill for oil so deep that it would previously not have been profitable to drill there.
there are even scientists, that claim oil is a renewable resource, forming deep beneath the surface when methane molecules is compressed: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...enewable&hl=en
i doubt that though.

if oil really runs out, oil can be made from processing coal of which we have a lot more than oil (germany did that in WW2 when it needed fuel but was being blockaded) and if coal runs out in hundreds or thousands of years, there is allready research und way to process waste (mainly plastic) into oil and in europe we even have first reactors, that can turn animal remains (feathers bones and guts) into oil. also many old diesel motors can with little problems run with plant oil from deep fryers, the exhaust will just smell of french fries.
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Genius said it all. Doomsday sites like this link would like us to believe that we're going to wake up one morning and all the oil will be gone. That's just not going to happen. The market will adjust as it has adjusted in every instance of depleting resources in history. And when it becomes more expensive to buy gas, more consumers will demand some other transportation, and the company that gives it to them will make money.

@Genius - did you know there's a guy in Maine (I think) who has already re-fitted his own car and over half of the towns people's cars to burn the oil from deep fryers?
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did you know there's a guy in Maine (I think) who has already re-fitted his own car and over half of the towns people's cars to burn the oil from deep fryers?
no, i dont know about maine. i have only watched reports on german TV about some germans, who fuel their old VWs with vegetable oil. i think refitting other towns people's cars would be problematic here, because of all the beaurocracy, changes to the vehicle must be certified by an agency we call TUV (technischer ueberwachungsverein), if you have an accident with a car with a modified engine, your insurance may refuse to pay etc.
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