1."Fare you well in your anarchistic endeavors". - Likewise

2."That is natural law, the strongest make the rules (and yes, laws still exist, they just change when leadership changes)." -agreed. "Power never vanishes. If you do not wish to retain or wield it, somebody else will." & "Nothing can be unjust in the animal kingdom."

3.I'm curious, have you been wrongfully accused or suffered such random injustice that you decry? -ofcoarse, by cops on power trips.

4.Have you suffered for being part of a nation? -definitely, if I don't blame myself for everything that happens to me then I am free to blame others as well, patriots fall into this category.

5."What prompted you to follow this philosophy? Note that I'm not saying it is wrong, if this is where you have faith, then good luck with it." - My "philosophy" is one of adaption, so I'm ever-learning, changing, expanding, improving... I'm dedicated to personal growth. That is the current root of my philosophy if there even is one. It's too eclectic to organize into a single philosophy at this point. I speculate the experiances of my environment play a key role in my prompting towards this philosophy. "Faith- not wanting to know the truth." -F.W.N.

Anyone else may feel free to add the dialogue w/ whatever opinion they will.

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Since somebody rude told us to move my compents onm parenting to the garbage, I have.

To answer your question Punky, mothering is my proudest accomplishment in life. To know that you have help mold that young human being into a respectable, polite, honest, hard working young man....soon to be adult, is very rewarding. To see them grow up and the excitement in their faces as they learn new things....new tastes, sounds, words, colors, just about everything. The love is the biggest reward. To me there is nothing better than a hug or kiss from my child. When they look up at you and tell you they love you more than all the stars in the Universe... that makes my heart swell with joy, so much so that sometimes it actually hurts because it feels so good.

I know this is mushy and corny to many, especially since this site consits of mostly young men, but it is so astonishng, the feelings you have for a child that it is hard to put into words.
I unfortunately cannot have more due to the Tumor on my spine, but both my husband and myself said if we were ever fortunate enough to win or come into a lot of money, that we would adopt 10 more kids. Yes that # is right.....10.
Anyway, I am babbling. If you wish to see some pics of my boys, they are posted in the Gallery under my name.
Thanks for listening.

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I can't find the gallery anywhere!!??!

the tumor sounds like it sux.
I'm skeptical of how much of your childrens "love" for you is genuine.

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How could you ever be sceptical of a childs love? One of the great things about kids...especially young ones, is that they have not learned to lie yet.

The gallery is at the top left hand of the page...above the advertisement.

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[QUOTE=punkusmartyrus]-agreed. "Power never vanishes. If you do not wish to retain or wield it, somebody else will." & "Nothing can be unjust in the animal kingdom."
This directly contradicts your statment here:Since you acknowledge power exists and the strong are the ones who wield it, then they are the ones who have the power and make the rules and that is not unjust. As such, you cannot then blame the very ones who have the power for the rules they've made, they are just wielding their natural law power. In other words, the government currently wields the power, just as an animal kingdom leader would and the members of the herd/pack/pride/etc. simply have to obey because "nothing can be unjust." Your complaint boils down to this "I don't think it is just because I didn't make the rules." This is not a logical complaint. We never get to make all of the rules, even if we are the leader of the pack (proof: show me how being the leader will allow you to change the rule that you will die at some point).

Given this, aren't they simply equivalent to natural law alpha-males who are simply exercising their right of power over you as an omega animal? Explain how natural law will prevent this.

I don't doubt that your personal experiences have a huge impact in your philosophy. This is true of most people and it is good that you might say so. It suggests that as you learn more, you can accept change and abandon untenable positions as well as accept new ideas. This is the basis of much education and growth. Interesting that you would quote Neitzsche (a man who was admittedly insane) in regards to Faith. Neitzsche never recognized a basic fact that all people (including him) hold faith in many unprovable things.

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Punky....I really want to know why you would be sceptic of my childrens love?? To be honest, that comment was quite painful to read.

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I'll start where I left off in the other tread, "I do not absolutely adhere to natural law. I prefer out-right natural law to government, but that doesn't necessarily make natural law overall favorable to me -sorry if that was the impression."

1."Since you acknowledge power exists and the strong are the ones who wield it, then they are the ones who have the power and make the rules and that is not unjust. As such, you cannot then blame the very ones who have the power for the rules they've made, they are just wielding their natural law power. In other words, the government currently wields the power, just as an animal kingdom leader would and the members of the herd/pack/pride/etc. simply have to obey because "nothing can be unjust." -Agreed. Natural law is underlying & inherent in all life. Humans are natural, therefore the things they do are natural, including creating governments. Government(the stronger) dictating the citizens(the weaker) is accordance w/ natural law. And I cannot be blamed as the weaker to wish to destroy the stronger, as any creature would in the name of self-preservation. Humans, of all animals, possess the mental abilities to distribute power equally amongst fellow humans atleast. natural law is prevelent in government, as it would be in anarchy, though it would be more managable & more honest in nature.

2."We never get to make all of the rules, even if we are the leader of the pack (proof: show me how being the leader will allow you to change the rule that you will die at some point)." -However unlikely, but if you're the leader of the entire world for instance, then you could command the planet to create some form of immortality.
"Upload Theory" ( http://www.primitivism.com/uploading.htm ) for example seems a promising bet. Science doesn't permit for inevitability, nothing necessarily has to die, nothing's written in stone. rules can be broken.

3."Given this, aren't they simply equivalent to natural law alpha-males who are simply exercising their right of power over you as an omega animal? Explain how natural law will prevent this." -natural law can't prevent this for this is natural law. though by abolishing government, and correspondingly all it's institutions, it can significantly reduce the amount of power that was manipulated to give them their so-called alpha status to begin with. It would cut the playing field down to managable ratios of differences in power.

4."Neitzsche never recognized a basic fact that all people (including him) hold faith in many unprovable things." -I enjoy much of Nietzsche's philosophy, though certainly not everything, as I do w/ many philosophers. The quote serves as a maxim for acquiring truth, I don't have faith in the person who said it.

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That's the problem, children have not learned enough to question your love for them or your motives. they have not experianced enough to comprehend the what's & why's of their surroundings. At young ages they're are as competent as domesticated cats & dogs in response to affection.

I had a sucky childhood and from what I've gathered I'm not the only one. The nuclear family is a myth to me, a lie to me. Parenting is B.S., it's natural function is to prepare the child for survival in the world, not to instill in them the fears, beliefs, & prejudices of the parents. I know of women who have given birth soley for the affection, "love", & company that only an ignorant infant can give to them as they have grown depressed, lonely, & undesirable. It's understandable, but it's not an acceptable reason to create another life that will needlessly be subjected to the cruelties of nature. It's nothing personal, I just don't like parents cuz I don't like the concept & I don't like mine.

thanx for showing me where the gallery was, I'll be uploading some pix of me soon

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