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Old 04-18-2004, 04:29 AM
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Its not as straightforward as that. If said laws infringe the basic principles of freedom of speech...
Which are?..

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Aether, can we also have a law against having pictures of pretty people in magazines and billboards, please? Everytime I see one I'm reminded of how ugly I am.
Hm. My condolences.

BTW, is your inferiority complex really so severe that you are insulted by attractive people in the same manner as the Nazi victims are insulted by the parades of the former SS members in certain countries?

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Communism had a SHITLOAD more than any other form of government in mankind's history and continues to this day to create victims.
Well, that's quite a revelation... Considering the fact that a communist government has never existed

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Germany and all other fascist states have appologized, recanted and taken measures to rectify their failures. The communist states have not.
Communist states? What are they?

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Ask about the rapes and murders the red army committed after WW2 in ALL countries the red army was in!
American troops are guilty of rape as well. And so are the British

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and you will also still find political prisoners in russian prisons.
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Germany as example has laws that prohibit the display of Nazi symbols, language and the spreading of ideology
Germany is the only country with such laws. Germany is not a target of the resolution. Countries like Latvia are.

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No I will not post links, I will not argue as all this has been proven over and over again.
If you did not want to argue, you wouldn't be here at all.
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Old 04-18-2004, 05:11 AM
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Is it ok to display any stalinist symbols? IS it ok towards his victims?
You reckon christianity has done nothing quite as bad as the nazis? Are you serious?
And seeing you have to take every bloody detail to its literal meaning... would it be appropiate for all of the former eatern bloc countries, those who had signed the Warsaw Pact, to apologize for their victims.
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Old 04-18-2004, 07:55 PM
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Is it ok to display any stalinist symbols? IS it ok towards his victims?
I'll ask again. Are there a lot of neo-Stalininsts in Europe? Neo-Stalinists, who organize parades, create political parties, vehemently deny Stalin's crimes while displaying some stalinist symbols (whatever they are)?..


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You reckon christianity has done nothing quite as bad as the nazis? Are you serious?
The Bible is not permeated by hatred, unlike Mein Kampf
When the Christians were committing atrocities in the name of the religion, Christianity was not a source of those crimes.
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And seeing you have to take every bloody detail to its literal meaning... would it be appropiate for all of the former eatern bloc countries, those who had signed the Warsaw Pact, to apologize for their victims.
Appropriate? Probably. Would it be very useful? Unlikely. It is much more important to ensure that the crimes of the past will not be repeated. You have to remember that Germany is the only country to publically accept the guilt. It's not like Spain, for example, officially apologized for the crimes committed by the Spanish conquistadors
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So its numbers for you then. The fact that you cab ban nazism but not stalinism because you dont see many around is simply stupid. I have seen "communists" parading pics of Stalin, but since they arent as visible they shouldnt be considered as infiringing any rights.
I never compared the bible to mein kampf, but rather the actions committed by christians in the name of religion, which is a historical fact.
As much as I detest any form of nazism, or the exaltation of their beliefs, I am an ardent believer in free speech, and thus even they should have a right to present their views, no matter how twisted they are.
Islam promotes anti-semitism, should we ban the religion?
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So its numbers for you then. The fact that you cab ban nazism but not stalinism because you dont see many around is simply stupid.
I have seen "communists" parading pics of Stalin, but since they arent as visible they shouldnt be considered as infiringing any rights.
What's stupid are your constant attemts to move the argument into some theoretical jungles. In case you have not noticed, neo-Nazism is a growing problem in Europe and even in North America. Neo-Nazis are already threatening the public safety. They vandalize synagogues and Jewish cemetaries. In France and Belgium, they go as far as actually attacking Jews. In certain Baltic states, they also vandalize Russian cemetaries and build monuments, glorifying the Nazi past, while enjoying the support of high-ranking government officials. This has nothing to do with their rights to free speech
And until you can say the the same about neo-Stalinists, will you PLEASE stop pestering me with your ludicrous comparisons?..

And where did you see people parading pics of Stalin? Some TV documentary about 1950s USSR? Even in Russia, the few remaining supporters of Stalin are senile, old persons. They will soon die off. Neo-Nazism, however, will only continue to strengthen, should it remain unchecked and unchallenged.


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Don't be ridiculous
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Old 04-19-2004, 01:19 PM
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I am not being ridiculous.
Islamists have long denounced Zionism. The Quran itself has ample pssages where jews are reviled.
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A quote, if you please?

FYI, Koran recognizes Moses as a Prophet, sent by God to the Jews. In fact, his name occurs 136 times in the Koran, the highest number among all the prophets.
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Neo-Nazis are already threatening the public safety. They vandalize synagogues and Jewish cemetaries. In France and Belgium, they go as far as actually attacking Jews. In certain Baltic states, they also vandalize Russian cemetaries and build monuments, glorifying the Nazi past, while enjoying the support of high-ranking government officials. This has nothing to do with their rights to free speech
How come Europe doesn't have laws against people threatening others, vandalizing property, or attacking people?
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We are not talking about the criminal responsibility of concrete individuals. Outlawing the organizations to which they belong is what's in question here
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Islam doesn't promote anti-semitism. There are a few passages that can be interpreted as being anti-semitic if one wants the book to be anti-semitic. The passages shouldn't be taken out of context. The Quran also doesn't demand women to wear burkhas or headscarves, but it is interpreted by some to say so.
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