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Old 04-17-2004, 03:42 AM
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The UN 53-member human rights commission harvested Friday 36 votes in favour, 13 against and four abstentions from an anti-neo-Nazism and -neo-fascism resolution, initiated by Russia and Belarus. This resolution censures all modern manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and resulting intolerance.
Through this resolution, the commission expresses its deep concern over the glorification of former Waffen SS members, in particular, the unveiling of monuments and memorials as well as the holding of rallies of former SS members.
This insults the memory of the SS organisation's numerous victims and poisons the mentality of young people, says the resolution.
The UN members are called upon to take measures to curb the worldwide spread of extremist movements, groups and political parties. The commission has also appealed to a special speaker on modern forms of fascism to prepare for the 61st session corresponding recommendations taking into account the viewpoint of governments of different countries and non-government organisations.

Now close your eyes and take a guess: Who could vote against such a resolution?
The result of the vote was as follows:

In favour (36): Argentina, Armenia, Bahrain, Bhutan, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Chile, China, Congo, Costa Rica, Cuba, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, India, Indonesia, Mauritania, Mexico, Nepal, Nigeria, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Qatar, Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Swaziland, Togo, Uganda, Ukraine and Zimbabwe.

Against (13): Australia, Austria, Croatia, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Sweden, United Kingdom and United States.

Abstentions (4): Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Honduras and Republic of Korea.
Full text of the resolution:
http://www.unog.ch/news2/documents/newsen/cn04051e.htm
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laws against 'intolerance' make it possible to prosecute people for thoughtcrimes. and if i understand it correct this resolution calls for the suspension of the rights to free speech and to peacefully assemble for the neonazis.
i would then also like to see a resolution against glorification of the idea and symbols of communism like busts and pictures of lenin, mao and stalin, as communism had more victims than nazism and while we are at it i want another resolution against glorification of christianity, the millions of victims that were killed in the name of the church must not be ridiculed by worshipping the symbols of their murderers.
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Very well put Grisu. Couldnt agree more
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laws against 'intolerance' make it possible to prosecute people for thoughtcrimes. and if i understand it correct this resolution calls for the suspension of the rights to free speech and to peacefully assemble for the neonazis.
i would then also like to see a resolution against glorification of the idea and symbols of communism like busts and pictures of lenin, mao and stalin, as communism had more victims than nazism and while we are at it i want another resolution against glorification of christianity, the millions of victims that were killed in the name of the church must not be ridiculed by worshipping the symbols of their murderers.
So you compare Nazism to Communism and Christianity?

Kindly give me a quote from Das Kapital or from Manifesto of the Communist Party or from the Bible conjuring up racial hatred

Do you hear a lot about the neo-Stalinists, who are proud of Stalin's crimes?
Do you see a lot of neo-Crusaders calling upon Christians to take over the Holy Land?
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So you compare Nazism to Communism and Christianity?

Kindly give me a quote from Das Kapital or from Manifesto of the Communist Party or from the Bible conjuring up racial hatred

Do you hear a lot about the neo-Stalinists, who are proud of Stalin's crimes?
Do you see a lot of neo-Crusaders calling upon Christians to take over the Holy Land?
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The point here is free speech.
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And to hell with the anti-racism laws.
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Its not as straightforward as that. If said laws infringe the basic principles of freedom of speech, then yes, I believe that this law shouldnt be passed.
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I'm with genius and Barca.

Aether, can we also have a law against having pictures of pretty people in magazines and billboards, please? Everytime I see one I'm reminded of how ugly I am. It's thoughtless and cruel for advertisers to keep pointing out my shortcomings.
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So you compare Nazism to Communism and Christianity?

Kindly give me a quote from Das Kapital or from Manifesto of the Communist Party or from the Bible conjuring up racial hatred

Do you hear a lot about the neo-Stalinists, who are proud of Stalin's crimes?
Do you see a lot of neo-Crusaders calling upon Christians to take over the Holy Land?
The comparison was made not in ideology but rather on the level of victims of totalitarian respectively opressive ideologies. I suppose you can't see the amounts of Stalin's victims, Lenin's purges and Christianities ruthless murder of everyone other thinking during the crusades, inquisitions and so forth.

Nazism had a lot of victims. Communism had a SHITLOAD more than any other form of government in mankind's history and continues to this day to create victims.

Germany and all other fascist states have appologized, recanted and taken measures to rectify their failures. The communist states have not. Just ask all the POW's of the 6th Army that died (respectively their aires). Ask about the rapes and murders the red army committed after WW2 in ALL countries the red army was in! Check into China's treatment of dissidents up until now and you will also still find political prisoners in russian prisons.

Germany as example has laws that prohibit the display of Nazi symbols, language and the spreading of ideology. There is no need for someone else to attempt to dicate how another country works internally! Russia would do good to sweep in its own kitchen before complaining about someone else's yard!

No I will not post links, I will not argue as all this has been proven over and over again.
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