You totally just described the Anarchy you so desire dipshit.

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QFT.

Ownd.

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*~$kAnDaLouZ~* said his religion, Islam, let's you disobey god when u get into to heaven. Are those not the sorts of things that disobey an Islamic god? No one's talking about Catholicism. Sounds like your heaven & *~$kAnDaLouZ~* heaven are little bit different:P And I'm not atheist, I'm agnostic - there's a major difference. And I don't live like a mindless fucktard, even though there's nothing inherently wrong w/ that particular lifstyle either. Religion is immature, not me.

And Sandals, I described a "heaven" where you could disobey god. I don't desire a state of anarchy that mimics a so-called satanic environment.

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You are a mindless fucktard, so apparently you are religious. You would be surprised at who you just generalized.

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I must say this thread has been very amusing to read...

But again this is the same as the other thread regarding religion... its just bound to turn into a flame fest, but I must say it hasn’t been too bad so far (except for a few that shall remain nameless).

Since the question is do you "believe" well that’s just the point do you faith in the un-provable? You cannot prove something derived from faith, for faith is the absence of reason and visa versa.

Each side just goes back and forth...

"prove it!"

"no u prove it!"

"no I asked u first... etc..."

The point is that it can’t be proven. Now one may say that is because it doesn’t exist... now that maybe true, but absence/lack of evidence then makes a reason argument of proof of the "divine" and its institutions (in this case heaven and hell) futile for both sides.

Faith is a double edged sword in many cases but if you are respectful of others faith or lack of faith we should all be great and join hands like in that old Coca Cola commercial (which looking back through out history and even today it has sadly been difficult to do and that has more to do with the nature of religion than faith).

And if you are truly of faith you should not need to attempt to go out and prove your religion (which many do in order to promote theirs as the right one which again is futile effort). So in reality my guess is as good as yours and visa versa.

Though personally I believe that the concept of eternal damnation is a self defeating point, especially if you subscribe to an active, predestining, all knowing god (which is a discussion for a whole another thread). Maybe there is a "hell" or some kind of punishment but I wouldn’t subscribe to it being indefinite, that’s little excessive.

As for Heaven, well, I think it is the most desired ends for a mortal, it is perpetual immortality do of course I want to believe in it and at the very least I hope for it. But what do I know I also believe in Santa Claus, kinda got screwed on that one, but the presents are what counts, what does it matter if my toy was made by an elf or a child laborer in some third world country... its still a toy. Although reincarnation is a pretty cool concept as well (but in the end you are attempting to achieve a form of enlightenment which would send u to a heaven like place and take u out of the reincarnation cycle).

I have always pondered of what u would do all day in heaven... both Islam and Christianity have this concept of loss of temptation. But if it’s like “Leave it to Beaver” land with palm trees I think I would get pretty board quickly. And you would have to ask if you lose the will of temptation does that mean I lose my free will. The ancient religions ideas of after life are quite interesting, for the Ancient Greeks after life just kinda sucked in general more like a Christian purgatory, what u did in life was how you were to be remembered. The Vikings Valhalla (their name for heaven) was a constant feast/party and constant battles, sounds pretty cool... but im sure that would even get old over and over... meh, partying never gets old what am I thinking...

Well... I did it again, Im going on a rant... well I must stop and let you post away your ideas. Take out of this what you will… Its just my 2 cents and I have plenty of change so you can keep it... seriously.

I guess in the end we will all find out we die… and I hope that is later rather than sooner for everyone here.

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So you're a fucking fencesitter?

Anyway, why hasn't anyone told me why they decided to follow a lifestyle that was thought up by unlearned ancient cultures?

prove it can't be proven
me too & vikings rule
I don't give a shit about the holywar w/ Athiests & Theists. Whether one is pro-god or anti-god, good 4 them, they should all leave me alone about it. If a god created me then good for it, now leave me alone about it. I got no obligation to be grateful for any of it, esp. the negatives of existance. Like a human creating a conscious robot to do housework for it. The robot doesn't have to do jack for the human because it deserves dignity. Same thing w/ people & gods.

Athiests are no better than Thiests in that they both rely on faith for thier claims. It's intellectually unrespectable. If you prove there's no god(s) then I'll believe there's no god(s), If you prove there is a god(s) then I'll believe it. Until then both sides are dumb as hell. Though even if there's is a god, which I doubt, it wouldn't make a single difference in my life. God's not supposed to effect you until after this life is over anyway. I assumed we were allies in that we both dislike organized religion & that we would want the honest truth in relation to the existance of a god(s) regardless of which side proves correct.

I don't follow any "unlearned ancient cultures" that I'm aware of.

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No it doesn't. I wasn't clear I suppose. There's just a loss of temptation as others said. What I meant is you don't have to pray anymore or whatever.

Now, I don't know what you know about Islam. I myself, as you have noticed from my posts am not very knowledgable in many aspects. Including, my religion. A result of my being not so religious. But I know enough that everything in it seems right to me. When it came, it brought things the world needed. Among them justice to everyone. It brought things the world still needs today, and after all these years. It still holds true. Also, I wouldn't say "unlearned ancient cultures", as after Islam...Muslim scientists rose with discoveries and books that served as the base for Europe's science that exisits today, some of these books helped Europe for more than 500 years. You can check the history books if you doubt it. But that's a whole other story.
I back away from this discussion as I find myself...lacking what it takes to participate. My own fault no less. But thanks for the headache, I hate arguements.

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As far as I can see punkpuss, you are one of the most immature people I know. In fact, you seem like the kind of kid who spent most of high school in a trash can or locker. Grow the fuck up.

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What? "Grow up" & be like you? A dumb as nails patriotic born-again christian?
Sorry, even if I wanted to I don't qualify for a lobotomy. Didn't I tell you to keep quiet while the adults were discussing religious matters? Speak something pertinent or STFU.

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