I am only here once, after I am dead the only thing that lives on is what I have done with my time, so I might aswell do something with what I have even if it is insignifcant in the grand scheme.

Its not the rule following, I already follow most of the "rules" because they are fucking obvious, I am just saying I would not pray, I wouldn't go to church, I wouldn't tell people how great the lord is, I wouldn't acknowledge him as the master of my life and if that means going to hell then so be it.

You're soo right, he's not forcing us to obey him at all. He's totally giving us the merciful choice of burning forever instead, how could I have not of seen that before, silly me(blatant sarcasm.) He's a tyrant and you fear him, just admit it.
How could you enjoy this life knowing you're going to be stuck in so-called heaven obeying a ruthless tyrant and that if & when you don't then you'll be sent to hell? Life is much more meaningful & optimistic considering that possibility may not even be a reality. It's unmotivating & depressing to think otherwise. Besides, motivation is internal, not external meaning it comes from you, not god or anybody else.
You just keep following your little rules & doing what you're told and keep quiet while the adults are talking, mama's boy. pwned.

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You are so rebellious. I like you outfit, do you work at Hot Topic? You don't? Oh, you are just another wannabe rebellious dick who wastes my precious oxygen and food? Okay. You have your beliefs and I have mine, so why don't you act your age for once you Goddamn nonsensical son of a bitch. Get off your ass, clean your fucking act up and get a job like a normal person. This society you rebel against should rebel against you. Holy shit, where's the Tylenol.

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Well, then you're saying that,...let's take Islam as an example. You're saying that giving away no more than 30 minutes a day and following some rules that are more like common sense and ending up in heaven where anything you haven't even dreamt of is possible and where you needn't pray no more is something you don't want to do? And you would rather end up in hell? Eternal suffering? And it's not like you are praying for nothing. If you try to count God's gifts to you, you would NEVER finish. And your "bowing" ends when you reach heaven, so you won't pray forever.
I think that's just plain outright silly and stupid.

First off, I'm not sure "exactly" what incident you mean. Care to clarify? We don't have God doing such a merciless thing in Islam on the undeserving. Is it in Christianity?
Second of all, you can't expect life to be a happy-merry-go-round for everyone. God has to test you to see wether you deserve to go to Heaven or Hell. It's not as simple as 1-2-3.

Bingo.

NO. My ulitmate, goal. My praying, my avoiding sin and my abiding, or doing my best to abide by God's rules revolves around the afterlife. Not EVERYTHING I do, because that would be too consuming. Maybe some do that, I don't know.

Again. Let's speak Islam wise, so 30 minutes a day is too much to do so that you can achieve eternal bliss?

You have the choice, my friend. If you obey, heaven. If you don't, hell. So, of course fearing God is part of the process. He is the MOST powerful. Who else would you fear? George Bush? Sadam Hussein? You have to fear God's punishment, and crave the prize you are offered if you obey. That's what I believe.

Again, in Islam. Anything you must do for God, ends when you die. No obeying in Heaven.
Besides, I'd say not wanting to end up in Hell and wanting to go to Heaven is enough "internal" motivation.

Childish.

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Enough of the hypotheticals, tell me of your proof.

Well, in the end...I guess I fail here. It's more like faith then proof.
For you it probably won't mean anything since you don't seem to have faith.
But...Do you believe things were created? After all, what you are asking for is the creator, if you don't believe he exists and that things were created this discussion is invalid. We'll have to argue wether everything was created or not.
What does it for me, is that when you look at all creation. All the creatures and how they interact. Our bodies and how everything is and works, I realize that it's not only impossible that it happened by chance. Or simply came to be thanks to some coincidence. But also how bull that darwin theory is, after all if we evolved from monkeys then why are they still here? The more I get into science, the more firm my believes become. Realizing there is a creator, I seek to know why was I created, and by whom. My religion has answered that for me. Many today, boil everything down to materialism and living for materialistic and animal needs, so much so that they never get to wonder about that.
But that's another story.

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Give me proof that there is no God.

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It didn't come by chance, it came from natural selection, that's a completely different thing, survival of the fittest and the smartest. There are even fosils of our hominid ancestors that show the progress of our evolution which is more proof on its own then anything religion has to offer. Also, Human DNA is 98.5% identicle to that of Chimpanzee's to say this doesn't give solid evidence that we are related to them is lunacy.

You obviously havn't delved very deep into science as you don't seem to know what you are talking about in that department.

Not everyone boils their purpose down to having a flash car and a big TV, are these animal needs you talk of living, dieing and mating some time before death? The sole goal of every living organism on this planet it to breed, Lion's hunt to feed themselves and their young so they can grow up and have young of their own, they fight for territory and dedicate all their lives doing tasks that lead to the ultimate goal of reproduction. Everything does this, but uses different methods based on what they can and can't do, we as humans are no different. We just have a brain that tells us we are better then that, and our live's have more purpose, and we were put here by a god that loves us and we are superior to everything else in the world because we can forge steel and use/make sophisticated tools and technology.

I have a question for you and anyone else who want's to answer it:

Back at the early stages of civilisation where people were a lot less intelegent then what they are today, they would question the unknown, like storms, sickness, the sun and moon and come to the conclusion that an all mighty being was behind them all. Today's mainstream Religion's were created at times of extreme ignorance, how can you believe so whole heartedly in something that was devised by unknowing people in ignorant times?

I never stated I had any, if you bothered to read this thread instead of be the interjecting fuckass you love to be, you would know that Skandolous said he felt that he had proof of God.

Kneeling, puting your hands together, genuflecting, praying, etc. are all superficial dogmatic formalites. I don't want to end up in heaven or hell and I'll be protesting it w/ every ounce of my will for the rest of my life or any life here-after.
one second on your knees submiting to the rule of someone else is too much. Some of us humas would like to keep our dignity, unlike other whores for "heaven." *points elbows*
once again, You're soo right, he's not forcing us to obey him at all. He's totally giving us the merciful choice of burning forever instead, how could I have not of seen that before, silly me(blatant sarcasm.) Except now you're admiting that he's a tyrant & that as such you're a weak-willed god-fearing slave.
You don't have to fear anyone or anything. That's what I believe. The quality of life would be too poor if I had to live it in fear.
Wow, really? So you can fuck & rape whoever u want, steal from whoever you want, spit in god's face or otherwise directly disobey god & you'll get to stay in heaven? Some heaven that is...
The only thing childish is your gullible, persistent, god-fearing faith in something that instintively sucks.
let me add, "Humans and chimps have evolved separately since splitting from a common ancestor about 6 million years ago, and their DNA remains highly similar -- about 96 percent to almost 99 percent identical, depending on how the comparison is made. Our DNA is closer to chimps than zebra are to horses."
PWNED.

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Umm...no...In Catholicism anyways, when you go to heaven, you are freed of original sin so you wouldn't be raping and shit. There's no temptation. No devil in the kingdom of God. Anyways, people with those "bad" thoughts will not pass through purgatory so you would get temporal punishment.

Punkus, shut up and just respect what people believe. People believe what they want to because they choose to. All because you are atheist doesn't mean you should live life recklessly like some mindless fucktard. That's why there are the government's laws. We believe in God's laws and man's laws. Be a bit more mature.

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