Why is Shane's stupid? Because he would refuse to bow to him?

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In a sense, yes.
But that's how I see it. I dunno, maybe he thinks he's better than that. His opinion.
Besides, if that's all it takes to not suffer eternal suffering beyond my imagination, and get into bliss beyond my imagination...I wouldn't say no.

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That's just the thing, to me & shane bowing to a shitty god for all eternity is eternal suffering. In the end you're either a slave or bar-b-que, call me crazy or stupid, but that's just not good enough for me.

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I guess I'm going to get back into this discussion since there is actually discussion going on for once.


Now, let me state my opinion on the matter. I am a Christian, I don't go to church on the weekends but I do pray everyday and I read my bible as often as I can. I try to make each day the best day possible to the best of my abilities. I alway's try to look for good things to happen despite the fact that so many overwhellmingly bad things are always happening instead. There have been things that have happened to me persoanlly in my life that has given me proof that there is a god. I'm not going to list them becasue the majority of the people here would just consider them stupid and then there would be an argument. Let me just say this, I don't think that you bow down to the god that you believe in, instead I believe that you try to live your life according to the way your god wants you too. You are never imprisoned but yet simply following a set of rules laid down for you to follow. It's your choice as to wether you follow them or not. Now, does that really sound like bowing down to you? To me it doesn't..........god is not a ruthless tyrant, he is a merciful god who wants everyone who believes in him to be happy. Again, I am only stating my opinion, I am not saying that what I just said is the way it is and you should listen to exactly what I just said because I know it's right. Now, if you started reading from the sentence before this one then start over again from the top because you'll get a totally different perspective on this subject than what I'm trying to state.

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Merciful?

Would a merciful god kill all the first born children of Egypt who were guilty of nothing as a punishment to the Pharaoh for not letting the Jews go?

I do have my own set of rules that I, for the most part adhere to, and those rules are my morals, but that has nothing to do with religion.

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Indeed.

It's just hard for me to concieve a person going through their entire life knowing that this is all there is and there is nothing after you die. How do you possiblly have any motivation at all?

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So what I have seen so far is that shane and punkpuss would rather go to hell than follow a few simple rules when faced with the actual existence of God? That just strikes me as stupid honestly.

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Get me a hardtop with a decent engine, and make sure it's got a big trunk.

My motivation isn't to be the best I can so that I go to heaven and "live" a comfortable afterlife, it's so that I can simply have what I want. I'm an incredibly materialistic person, and my motivation to get up, and work, and try hard is to achieve what I want to achieve, whether that be, in the long run, marrying a nice girl and raising a family, or more specific and not quite as long term goals, such as get good grades so I can get into a good college.

Are you saying that your motivation for every single thing you do revolves around the afterlife? I find that quite unbelievable.

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