I'm still confused on why the laws of physics have not been able to pin point exactly what made-up the early earth. I suppose it has to do with the incompletion of the "Theory of Everything."

All this talk makes me want to be a better scientist;D

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Science can only theorize on what it can observe. Since it cannot observe what happend in the past, it cannot truly theorize on it. Neither physics, nor any other science can tell you the composition of the atmosphere in the past because it couldn't observe it.

Scientists do attempt to analyze rock samples and other items that supposedly show a "snapshot" of time to try to determine what the atmosphere and environment was. For example, scientists have found iron oxide in rocks that are dated as being billions of years old. Disregarding, for the moment, any difficulties with dating of rocks (there are several), the iron oxide would suggest that oxygen was available in the atmosphere and that iron was at a level to react with the oxygen. They then form a theory of the atmosphere based on this information (free oxygen would suggest that certain chemicals could or could not be in the atmosphere because they would react with and cancel out the oxygen if they were abundant). All of that, however, is potentially contradicted by other findings and by the problem with dating rocks (I've dated a rock, but she wouldn't well.... nevermind). In any case the result is that we simply don't "know" what the environment was like. At best, we make a guess.

Miller made a guess to perform his experiment, but his guess has been shown to be very unlikely, and he admitted that his guess was based more on what would work for his experminet than anything else when he said that he chose an environment that would give him a good chance of forming amino acids. In short, he engineered his experiment to give a certain result, and guess what, it did. That doesn't mean that it ever happend or even could have happened.

-- Jeff

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Here is a prety cool video some of you may find interesting

http://www.nwcreation.net/videos/a_q...f_origins.html

Dice you dumbass! A little warning as to the biased cheapshots would have been appreciated, unless of coarse you didn't actually watch the whole thing yourself I found the last minute of pure shameless preaching highly "interesting." Proselytizing is never an acceptable method for debating theories.

I believe the question was raised, even during this obvious one-sided propaganda piece, that went something to the effect of "why do people still choose to believe that the origins of life came about through natural processes rather than by the god of the bible?" Well this pathetic attempt at conversion is one shining example of why people do!

How convenient for christianity to keep evading being debunked by jumping onto the coattails of every new scientific discovery, and retracting it's original dogmatic stands on the way the world really operates, as if to claim it as it's own inorder to adapt it's paltry opressive views to modern day facts. It's humorus how it ate crow on the earth supposedly being the center of the universe (amongst other fallicies.) Creation science, theology, is pseudo-science if it doesn't leave itself room for falsifiability as has been mentioned earlier. And biblical references do not constitute a legitamte criterion for determining truth. The fact that they're in there at all is ridiculous and only serving as a disservice to their cause. Popular opinion doesn't decide truth. The purely scientific reasons they gave to support thier claims against evolution were & are significant, the rest is rubbish.

*thinks to self about initiating some field work personally*

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I know it was biased....that's why i found it so interesting.

And yes i did watch the whole video.

The ending was the best shameless promotion i've seen in a long time.

Well in that case you're excused

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