Uhhmmm.. yeah I know they are and that's why I said "I am sure some bad shit happens...". I was talking about the Brit photos linked in the thread. After what I said previously, are you trying to insinuate that I think no mistreatment goes on there? What's your point?

I guess the posing comment can also go for the American photos although not exactly in the same way (US idiots posing with pointing fingers and big smiles as opposed to focusing on the various torture methods). The American photos look like tourist photos while the Brit ones look professionally staged. The American photos actually seem much worse to me than the fake-looking Brit photos.

Yes, the media cropped the photos. Just compare the Daily Mirror "original", with the other photos from The Guardian.There´s one original at the top of this page.
They cropped the photos to show the key points. But who´s to know wether the Daily Mirror has cropped their photos aswell? That would mean we are only seeing a fraction of the original pictures.
As for the "movement", check my dissertation above.You´ll find there are quite a few reasonable explanations to the so-called "inconsistencies".
The thing that makes me think they were staged is the black and white colour film. No one uses it, except for dramaticism and focus atention. A soldier that happened to be on the truck taking photos as souvenirs would never take black and white photos.
And also the fact that the Daily Mirror is a tabloid paper, bent on fabrication and exageration. Not your most reliable source there.
However, even if they posed for the photos, it still doesn´t mean the abuses never took place. As pointed out above, the US photos featured them posing aswell, and we know the abuses DID take place.
It´s not the "posing" that poses a problem (pardon my redundancy), it´s the possibility of it being a forgery or not.

And since the Daily Mirror isn´t reveiling their sources, no one can question the people involved. Until a serious investigation is done and the results made public, we have to assume these photos are genuine. Even if they do look "weird".
I have my doubts aswell, but i´ll wait for the investigation to change my verdict.
Besides, it´s not as if the british reputation was hanging on the balance over this. The british Army was already grasping at straws with other claims of abuse and investigations regarding tortured iraqi prisioners. These photos are just another logg in the fire.

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I'm not trying to insinuate anything, so calm down.

Even though the thread originally started with the British photos, the American photos and the whole situation has been discussed back and forth. So I just wanted to point out (not specifically to you) that the bigger issue is the verified photos and abuse cases, not arguing whether a few other photos are real or not. That, I'm sure, will be discovered in time.

And you said:

Like SwamP_ThinG said, this is what the American troops have done. I wasn't sure if you were talking only about the British photos.

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Yeah, one of the main things I wondered was about the B/W. It also looks like a synthetic B/W as well (not real B/W film but maybe a digital camera in B/W setting or post-processing) but who knows, there are a lot of factors for photos looking the way they do.

As for the validity, I don't think we need to assume they are genuine. Like I said, I think the real US photos are much worse than these photos so it makes these photos much less significant. Considering the added strangeness of the photos, I would think we should ignore them until they are proven to be authentic.

Faked photos are interesting in themselves though, aren't they? Who's responsible, guys who want to sell papers, people who want to further enrage arabs, people in opposing political parties, etc...

That's why I stated in my initial sentence that abuse is happening and that it is regrettable before questioning the photos. Otherwise, some self-righteous poster may try to discipline me for ignoring the "bigger issue". In any case, thanks for the clarification.

Hmmm...I'm not sure if you're calling me names, or if you're just talking in general... :indeed:

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