So even if you don't have any proof of something everyone should still believe it to be true? The faith in the wmd's of Iraq sound almost like a religion....

Just because you and the US government think so doesn't make it a fact.

Well pardon me, I must've been badly mistaken. If the US already wasn't invading Iraq, this surely would be a reason to do so. Wonder what Bush's gut feeling would say about this?


Naturally the US thinks they are out there because they are still looking at the receipts for the deals. But the fact that the US sold them weapons a long time ago doesn't still mean they exist at the present.

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Yankeefan:
I agree with you on everything except the WMD issue.
Did Saddam have time to hide them even though in 15 minutes they could be deployed? That urgency was what caused large numbers of the population to readily accept the 'threat'

As in compared to what? Since no one managed to found those ellusive weapons, how can you tell they did such a shitty job?
And might i remind you that the overwhelming majority of the info the US currently possesses has come from the UN inspections?
And that perhaps they could have done better had they been allowed to complete them in the first place?
Don´t answer, it´s a rethorical question.
:rolleyes:

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yankeefan1970 is obviously one of those very, very rare people that still believes that there actually were WMD's in Iraq. Be gentle with him: his grasp of reality must be pretty fragile right now.

Saddam never did reconstitute his military forces - or his supposed WMD programs - following Gulf War I. That's why Bush II knew it was safe to take on Iraq with only half the forces that his father (Bush I) had deployed just to liberate Kuwait (which left 2/3 of Iraq intact).

If there were no wmd in Iraq then how do you explain the following:

1. the ice-cream truck they found
2. the blurry pictures of the ice-cream truck that were presented to the UN
3. the abscence of actual ice-cream from the truck
4. the discovery of Saddam in his ultra-modern wmd command center
5. the red button (obviously for wmd launching) in an Iraqi civilian's shirt
6. the receipts for the wmd in the US' possession
7. the non-discovery of the wmd by the UN (obviously very well hidden)
8. the capability of Iraq to destroy the universe in 30 seconds
9. the threat Iraq presented to the US
10. the similarity in appearance of the Iraqi people to Osama and his buddies
11. the suspicious mustache everyone in Iraq has (obviously for hiding things)
12. the jibberish they talk in Iraq (obviously used for hiding more things)
13. the words of George W. Bush and his buddies (since they don't lie)
14. all the other hard evidence

Well how do you explain these? Can't be just coincidence....

:what: Watch out! The wmd are escaping!!!

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Easy!!
1. That´s the ice-cream truck that was used by Saddam to give his sons an ice-cream treat!
2. Uh..err...the truck was moving, some dude with a t-shirt pressed the red button. See nº 5.
3. Saddam´s gluton sons ate it all, daddy was feeling generous.
4. Saddam´s WMD center was turned into an Ice Cream shop.
5. The red button is to call the ice-cream truck.
6. The receipts are for strawberry flavoured ice-cream purchases.
7. Saddam just forgot where he putted them.
8. Uh, must that strawberry ice-cream that the US sold to him, no? Provokes a quick trip to the john, after 30 seconds of eating.
9. Iraq made better chocolate ice-cream, thus it was a threat.
10. Uh, Osama had a Xerox machine?? :confused:
11. That´s obvious! It´s to hide any traces of ice-cream, before the inspectors come.
12. It´s codetalk for ice-cream vendors.
13. The only time when they are not lying is when they are bullshitting.
14. Hard evidence?? Oh, do you mean "hard" as in "stale and out of date"? (like 15 years out of date)

See how easy it was?
:thumbsup:

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Noooo!!! It can't be! What happens now to my delusions of the righteousness of the war?? Do you suggest I face reality??? I'm not sure I can handle it....

And here's a little hello to Bush:
:bird: :gun: :drool: :ass:

That's me giving him the finger and bitchslapping the gun loving idiot for being such an ass.

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I don't say things like this very often, but F. YOU! Am I not allowed to have an oppinion on the matter without someone questioning my grasp of reality? Have YOU checked your own reality lately?

I'm one of those rare people who is willing to keep an open mind about the possibility that the WMD did infact exist. Everyone else seems to have entirely written off the possibility. I'm not condeming Saddam for having WMD, but I'm also not ready to set him free for lack of evidence.

You have absolute proof of this? Can you, without a doubt, state that Saddam did not have any WMD or the capabilities to produce them?

When you say "supposed WMD programs", would that include things like the gas he used to kill all those Kurds to the north? Perhaps I'm entirely mistaken about the source of what caused all those deaths. Accoriding to the way you're thinking, those people must have simply died from some other kind of natural phenomenon . :fart:

Yeah, I'm certain now. Those people didn't die because Saddam used Mustard gas and other nerve agents on them. He didn't posses any WMD did he? No... Someone in the village simply had too many beans for dinner and killed off several hundred thousand with the aftereffects.

When are you people going to wake up to the possibility that Saddam might have actually been the bad person he's made out to be? I know it would mean admitting that you're wrong and that Bush actually is doing something to help the world. But atleast it's better to realize that there just might be something more to this than what you've convinced yourselves of! Good God! Open your eyes and open your minds!

I'll let you and Ranger sort out the rest of the post between the two of you, but I have to make one question:

When are you going to wake up to the fact (you can call it a possibility if you like) that Bush really is the stupid, lying, evil person everyone is telling you he is? Although it would mean admitting that you're wrong and that Bush has seriously fucked up not only the situation of the US, but of the whole world, it would still be worth it. Please, open your eyes.

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I don't say it very often, either, but fuck you back. I've read your posts. You're just another one of those brainless Republican/Bush apologists. Another clueless mouth-breather with a blank, vacuous stare, and an incredibly gullible mind.

And so should you. Think about it. Think real hard.

Can you prove he did? Lacking any proof to the contrary, what exactly is it that you actually believe in again?

Anybody can make that stuff these days. You can make it in any high school chemistry lab, for god's sake. Kids can do it. Every country on the planet has the stuff. Nobody even really seriously considers chemical weapons to even be "WMD's" anymore, these days, it's so easy to make and so commonly possessed by so many nations all over the globe. Should we attack them ALL then, do you think?

Saddams little supply was just some old leftover stuff the US's CIA probably gave to him to use on the Iranians years before, when we were "allies" with Saddam. So maybe the world should attack the US for having it too (in fact more of it than anybody else) and because our own "very bad men" like Bush Sr. have been known to have distributed it to other madmen (like Saddam himself) in the past?

Might have been??? MIGHT have been??? My God! That's really a great reason to go to war...he might have had some WMD's, or he might have been a very bad guy! Christ on a crutch! Who is out of touch with reality here?

Bush might be trying to take over the entire world, too, one piece at a time! People everywhere had better attack us right now -- we might be planning to take over the entire planet with all our many WMD's!

Bush is a dickhead. An idiot. An inbred. A religious nut case. A fool.

If you believe his shit then so are you.

The world is FULL of "very bad men". It always has been; nothing new there! Many (if not most) are every bit as bad or even worse than Saddam was. So what? Why stop with just Saddam when there are so many other very bad men still available to choose from? Lets kill them all -- everybody that doesn't think like us, or agree with us! Lets just kill them all and just let God sort them out, hey? They "might" be dangerous to our way of life. Best not take ANY chances, hey?

Bush is the biggest liar and the most dangerous maniac to ever sit in the Oval Office. Wake up, fool.