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PS: Damn this thing!! I keep getting logged out and loosing my posts!!! I think my ISP is going berserk... Or does this happen to you guys also?
Doesn't happen to me.
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Now I know that I'm not the best person to talk to for pot knowledge, but after doing some research for the sake of my friends (I have at least half a dozen friends who do pot), marijuana is less harmful than it is made out to be, and less harmful than things such as cigarettes. I my opinion it should be legalized, either that or things such as cigarettes should be illegalized, but I'm leaning towards the former. If someone wants to mess up their own body, it's their decision.
A joint commonly is made up of weed and tobacco so you are getting both... Unless there is another way to just smoke pure grass that I have yet to hear about!
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I didn't say that one was less harmful than the other; I only said that they both are similarly dangerous.


It may not, but alcohol does and it is legal. The point is that abolition didn't work in the past, and pot being illegal has only served to send people to jail who should have been in treatment facilities. And, since being incarcerated often destroys a life, bans on pot have probably caused more crime than it has prevented.
If they should have been in treatment facilities that should indicate that the substance itself is addicting am I correct in the assumption? There are several potheads in this discussion that claim that pot is not.

"Mr. Ness, what are you going to do when they abilish prohibition?"
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Point being: It is the law of the land not to do it. Hence you ought to abide by it until it is changed and your choice of drug (alcohol, nicotine, pot, lsd or whatever else) is legalized.
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I know if i get into a car I take the risk of getting killed. I know that I can be killed or harmed in many different situations, so I assess the risk and carry on. Are they bad for my health? Yes.
That is the part that is annoying the $|-||T out of me right there. It is not your life anyone cares a flipping flap about, it is the innocent kid you mow over and kill in your dope induced state! You endanger OTHERS. You have the right to kill yourself all you want but the minute you become a liability to everyone else and do potential damage to an innocent party you should get locked up for DWI/DUI and the key ought to get lost!
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Exactly well put, I can remember one Summer I some years ago I was going 10hr nights in the Studio, of course rolled a couple of doobie joints, probably more than I knew my body could handle but anyways, next day I do remember memory lose and trouble solving some problems, matter fact I belive now that my short term memory was an effect of that, will I ever know? No.
ROFL... here is a life example of a pothead admitting to the effects and Barca intended to discredit it... BAAAHAHAHA
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That is the part that is annoying the $|-||T out of me right there. It is not your life anyone cares a flipping flap about, it is the innocent kid you mow over and kill in your dope induced state! You endanger OTHERS. You have the right to kill yourself all you want but the minute you become a liability to everyone else and do potential damage to an innocent party you should get locked up for DWI/DUI and the key ought to get lost!
Then guns, knives, cars, donkeys, airplanes, pets, ought to be illegal. In fact, what would be legal would be a smaller list.

We have laws to deal with people who can't be responsible - we don't have to force them to be responsible. We're not their parents.
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Being on a sugar high can cause you to do things. Are you saying we should illegalize foods that are high in sugar?
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We have laws to deal with people who can't be responsible - we don't have to force them to be responsible. We're not their parents.
I do not care what people do with their life. They can do whatever they chose to do with it. But it must stop at the point where others are being endangered. If there is blatant disregard for other humans this behavior deserves to get irradicated.
But what do you call a law that punishes someone that isn't responsible? I call that forcing them to be responsible or they get punished.... So we actually do act like their parents.

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Show me one medical study that proves that a high blood sugar has the same effect as smoking a joint!
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I do not care what people do with their life. They can do whatever they chose to do with it. But it must stop at the point where others are being endangered. If there is blatant disregard for other humans this behavior deserves to get irradicated.
Okay, let's follow this logic. You say, "Drug use should be outlawed because people on drugs drive cars and kill other people." Well, many more people drink and drive and kill other people than marijuana users do. In fact, many people use legal and prescription drugs and drive cars and kill other people. So, according to your logic, all of these things should be illegal as well. In fact, people don't do drugs, drive cars and kill people. So, it seems to me, that driving cars should be illegal.

People kill other people with guns and knives. People kill other people with rocks, sticks, bottles, even their hands. More people are killed every year from medical mistakes than are killed from guns. So, following your logic, guns, knives, rocks, sticks, bottles, hands and doctors should be illegal. In fact, let's just cut to the chase and outlaw human beings.

At least a few people are killed every year when they're hit by lighting while swinging their metal golf clubs around in the air during lighting storms. If anyone is nearby they are likely to be hurt as well. We should outlaw golf clubs.

People are killed in plane accidents every year, sometimes people on the ground are killed by these accidents. We should outlaw flying. Surprisingly, more people are killed by donkeys, in an average year, than die in plane accidents. We should outlaw donkeys.
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But what do you call a law that punishes someone that isn't responsible? I call that forcing them to be responsible or they get punished.... So we actually do act like their parents.
No. Acting like your parents is saying, "Don't do that. You are forbidden from doing that. You are not responsible for you, I am responsible for you."

Punishing people for not being responsible is showing that there are consequences for not being responsible. You are not forcing them to be responsible, they choose whether or not to be responsible and suffer the consequences if they choose incorrectly. Of course, I can only speak for myself; I am an adult, I want to live my life, I want to make my own decisions, I don't want a few idiots precluding me from living my life in a responsible way.
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Okay, let's follow this logic. You say, "Drug use should be outlawed because people on drugs drive cars and kill other people." Well, many more people drink and drive and kill other people than marijuana users do. In fact, many people use legal and prescription drugs and drive cars and kill other people. So, according to your logic, all of these things should be illegal as well. In fact, people don't do drugs, drive cars and kill people. So, it seems to me, that driving cars should be illegal.
Driving while under the influence of alcohol as well as prescribed drugs is illegal, if you hurt or even kill someone that is called intoxicated manslaughter and at least here carries hefty prison terms.
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No. Acting like your parents is saying, "Don't do that. You are forbidden from doing that. You are not responsible for you, I am responsible for you."

Punishing people for not being responsible is showing that there are consequences for not being responsible. You are not forcing them to be responsible, they choose whether or not to be responsible and suffer the consequences if they choose incorrectly. Of course, I can only speak for myself; I am an adult, I want to live my life, I want to make my own decisions, I don't want a few idiots precluding me from living my life in a responsible way.
Explain to me the difference in writing a law threatening punishment (which in itself tells you "Don't do that or you go to jail as it is forbidden!")!
Being a parent or acting like one at no time means you do not give responsibility to your child. Obviously you don't have children or you would know the difference between forbidding something and the child not being held accountable.
If you drive while under the influence of any type of drug and I would know about it, I would call the cops on you and have them arrest you as you are a danger to others not just yourself and that is where it ultimately stops. If you want you can kill yourself but you may not endanger others while doing so.
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