Yeah. That's one link I won't be posting to any of my friends.

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I was truly angry at those dumbfucks who humiliated the Iraqi prisoners and were very dumb enough to take pictures of it and even video taped it they embarrassed a whole nation. But what these damned terrorists did to Berg was way way out of proportion and should be a reminder of what kinds of people the americans are dealing with here.

Right now Im very worried about Pfc Maupin and what kinds of outrage they might perpatrate on him, I hope they either cut a deal to free him or rescue him if they get good intel.

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whoa, I see a series of blacklash against Muslim Americans about to happen.

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a deal would be a grave mistake. remember the israelis 'successfully' exchangig palestinian prisoners (the kind that shoot women and children and gloat about it) for the bodys of murdered israelis. promptly the hamas or whatever announced that they would now seek to abduct further israelis to get the rest of the prisoners free also.

the german wehrmacht learned when fighting the partisans in WWII, that you rather would not be captured alive, as this enemy gave nothing about the hague convention on how to wage landwarfare and would kill their prisoners after an tortoruous interview, with eyes being picked out and bowels cut out.

there are evil people in this world doing terrible things and i at least do not only think seeking a deal is a mistake, i also dont want to make a deal with them.

Well, the men who beheaded Berg would have done what they did even if their had not been any abuse. These people, if they did not have the abuse to blame their actions on, would have used the invasion itself or some other excuse.

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The beheading of an innocent civilian has been condemned by a lot of muslim nations and people. I doubt that many will start to hate muslims (any more than they already do). It opposes what the quoran stipulates. It is nothing but another senseless murder just like the drive by shooting last night in any major US city. This action has moved them to a simpler category of murderer rather than terrorist.

For those that are so grossed out about seeing a person die in the short movie and disliked it there are a few comments I would like to share with you:

- acts like this have been happening all over the world. Chechnia, Yugoslavia, Ruwanda are just a few of the countries were cutting a throat or beheading are or were daily occurances. There has been footage about it around for a long time now which could have been viewed, however it wasn't a muslim killing a christian and not an Iraqi killing an American.... Isn't this what this outrage is mostly about???
- after you see your first mass grave live or the files on them including the photos and videos you will understand that the beheading of a single person is not all that offensive... (Yugoslavia etrocities should be de-classified soon (if it isn't already) and it is all in color and tone.... WW2's etrocities are aired on the history channel almost every week...)
- humans have seen images, executions and shows made up of death for millenia

Based on this and the fact that each one willingly downloaded and viewed the gruesome video I wonder why you are now so stunned over the "physics of death" e.g. how hard it is to sever a head from the torso, how much blood there is etc. etc.
Maybe I dulled down after I pulled 10+ people from fatal car wrecks etc. as firefighter but I guess I just don't understand the whole uproar about it...

I just wish that his children and wife will NEVER EVER see this footage!

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People who are prone to hating a whole group of people are hardly concerned with what some holy book allows and what not. Do you think that the people who did this cared about wheter the bible condones the torture in Abu-Ghraib?

No, I think (hope) many people on this board never had to see anyone die, certainly not in such a way. I think that most people are grossed out, because it is gross. (That's also why I certainly won't look at it, I don't think it would give me anything but a sick stomach)

I don't know about you, but I've seen a lot of footage of dead people, but very rarely of their actual death. (Most of it in WW2 documentaries, but that's way more anonymous) And if I see someone getting killed in a movie, I know that's not real.

So that's where the name's from

Fully agree, but I wish that noone will ever have to see this.

The torchure at Abu-Ghraib wasn't planned or executed under the pretense of being a religious act like this beheading was. It was merely the publicizing of what secret services and military intelligence have been doing for decades...


Then why wasn't there such a huge outcry when David Perl was beheaded and the whole thing was video taped? Does it happen to be that one happened in Iraq where all these barbarians live and the other was in Pakistan where... ooops shhhh.... don't say it.... we need Pakistan's support to whoop Afghanistan.... SHHHHHH.....

Seen both in footage and in real life neither is pretty but part of life and human nature...

Someone found me out... Case and point... you can't deal with mangled bodies in accidents and dead folks if you don't accept it as part of life and in a sense don't numb over it.
Worst case I ever wittnessed was a drunk bastard that ran over a mom walking on the sidewalk with 3 kids killing all of them.Anywho... This one was worse than the beheading (not to sound messed up) but they were both criminal acts with a similar outcome .... of sorts...

Again... it is your choice... Why watch something knowing what to expect (to see a man get beheaded in a brutal and dilletant way) if you condemn the act and proclaim it is disgusting?

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Has anyone seen the number of times this thread was viewed? It´s unheard of!!
If all these people came to read the forum, why don´t they registrate and post something aswell?

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Probably just people wanting to see the video, and found this on google...