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Old 11-15-2004, 12:34 PM
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So why accuse them of unilateralism than? This is a sience project that affects countries that are participating. If there is a disagreement and some country refuses to participate other countries have every right to continue that project, unless it harms other countiries.
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Oh, I don't know. Let me think...

Refusing to sign the Kyoto Accord? Terminating the ABM Treaty? Invading Afghanistan? Asking the other members of the UN to mean what they say and say what they mean? Invading Iraq? Sanctions on Iran? N. Korea? (Probably not the 73 other countries the US has unilaterally sanctioned.) Investigation of the Oil-For-Protection scam at the UN?

There seems to be no end to Europe's list of complaints against the US. Why would you settle on just one?
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Is it in your nature as a European? That's interesting. My first impression was that your governments were acting independently of its citizens. But your question clears up one thing for me: Why is it that so few Europeans care about their own government's unilateral action and malfeasance? Now, I know. Thank you.
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(...)Investigation of the Oil-For-Protection scam at the UN?
That is a good one, isn't it. I never really got why it was so important for the US delegation to not pull their efforts into supporting the independent investigation, but rather wanted to use Dulfer's report as a base for their own investigation, blaiming the heads of the programme and the inherent lure of corruption in the system for the disaster. Specially when it was the american delegation who were in charge for the accounting for the project. And also when Annan refused to blaim the american delegation alone and called it a failure of the UN as an organization, hoping that the investigation would help prevent such things in the future.
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Whats wrong with that? If there is no agreement they should drop the project? Or am i missing something?
Probably the definition of what unilaterism is, which definitively ended to declare a democratic un decision unilateral.

One interesting point is that the democratic eu are considered at will and depending on the circumstances as a country/nation to call for an unilateral decision (whereas decisions or stances taken by the democratic eu are the result of obscure bargaining and negociating or as a set of divided countries when for example talking about multiculturalism to say that the democratic us are more multicultural than the democratic eu.
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I don't get it.
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The democratic eu are not a nation-country. A nation starts with a constitution written by a constitutive assembly elected with the corresponding powers (something that by the way isnt the case for the current discussed constitutional treaty but that's another story)

When one considers that the democratic eu is going unilateral, one considers eu as a nation-country with constitutional mecanisms to gather representative actions. Hence a president or a congress have no obligation to enter an inner negociation round to take every decision. Some are decided beforehand and are part of the alloted powers of an elected person.
Since the democratic eu are not a nation-country with no constitution, the situation is that most of the decisions, stances they take are the result of an inner round of discussion, negociations... Talking about unilateralism in that context cant make sense because the democratic eu simply lacks the (constitutional) power of being unilateral.
As told, the next step was to consider a un decision a unilateral move since the un have a similar internal functioning as the democratic eu.

On the other hand, for example, when to illustrate the action of democracy on the diversity in cultures, one assesses the monolithic culture of the champion of the democratic free world, the us as inferior to the already really poor diversity of the democratic eu, suddenly the eu loses its nation-feature to be considered as a patchwork of democratic countries.
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I believe I may have actually understood (at least a part of) what T.F.B.M is saying this time. Correct me if I'm completely mistaken.

I think he means that the EU can't be blamed for unilateral decisions since the EU isn't a country but a union of many countries. Therefore any decision mady by the EU is in itself already multilateral, much in the same way decisions mady by the UN are.

I also think there might be some point in his writings for once.
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Unilteralism Is Subjective?

or is it Unilaterality Is Subjective?
or what?
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Unilteralism Is Subjective?
Oh, no. It is an objective term as long as you do not mention what context it is in. This will enable you to use the term in any context you wish. So sayeth the school of americas and apparently also the american diplomatic corps.
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