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No. Chances are I'll continue to have blind faith that most people are reasonable and intelligent; despite how often Europe proves me wrong. Color me hopelessly hopeful. :dog:
We are so lucky to have you Americans as the beacon of light in these dark times, as the voice of reason. You sure have that something that we unreasonable and unintelligent Europeans are missing. Please continue to spread your wisdom around the world. Thank you.
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And besides, building a fusion reactor and attacking a sovereign nation aren't quite the same thing...
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We are so lucky to have you Americans as the beacon of light in these dark times, as the voice of reason. You sure have that something that we unreasonable and unintelligent Europeans are missing. Please continue to spread your wisdom around the world. Thank you.
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And besides, building a fusion reactor and attacking a sovereign nation aren't quite the same thing...
I guess the most obvious thing you would be missing here is that I never said they were, nor ever turned the conversation in that way. In fact, all of the posters who drew the comparison, save one, are European.

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I guess the most obvious thing you would be missing here is that I never said they were, nor ever turned the conversation in that way. In fact, all of the posters who drew the comparison, save one, are European.
Looking at the subject of this thread and your posts in it, I somehow got the idea that your intention was to show us that Europe can do unilateral decisions too and not only the USA (who has been accused of such things by Europeans). Am I right?

Now what major unilateral decision might the USA have done in the last few years? It doesn't take an European to come to the conclusion I did.

Or do you think I am just being unintelligent and unreasonable again, as is in my European nature, to come up with this totally absurd comparison?
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Looking at the subject of this thread and your posts in it, I somehow got the idea that your intention was to show us that Europe can do unilateral decisions too and not only the USA (who has been accused of such things by Europeans). Am I right?
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Now what major unilateral decision might the USA have done in the last few years? It doesn't take an European to come to the conclusion I did.
Oh, I don't know. Let me think...

Refusing to sign the Kyoto Accord? Terminating the ABM Treaty? Invading Afghanistan? Asking the other members of the UN to mean what they say and say what they mean? Invading Iraq? Sanctions on Iran? N. Korea? (Probably not the 73 other countries the US has unilaterally sanctioned.) Investigation of the Oil-For-Protection scam at the UN?

There seems to be no end to Europe's list of complaints against the US. Why would you settle on just one?
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Or do you think I am just being unintelligent and unreasonable again, as is in my European nature, to come up with this totally absurd comparison?
Is it in your nature as a European? That's interesting. My first impression was that your governments were acting independently of its citizens. But your question clears up one thing for me: Why is it that so few Europeans care about their own government's unilateral action and malfeasance? Now, I know. Thank you.
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The right of leaving a country being widely recognized by democratic countries whereas the right of returning is much less respected, anyone planning to leave the democratic us should consider that can be a one way ticket.
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"If there is no agreement, we'll have to think over ... how we go ahead with a maximum number of partners who want to participate,"
Whats wrong with that? If there is no agreement they should drop the project? Or am i missing something?
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Whats wrong with that?
Absolutely nothing.
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So why accuse them of unilateralism than? This is a sience project that affects countries that are participating. If there is a disagreement and some country refuses to participate other countries have every right to continue that project, unless it harms other countiries.
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