Hummm, that sounds familiar... Where did i hear something like that? Oh yeah, just change the names from detainees to WMDs, and add UN inspectors in exchange for Red Cross!
Diferent subjects, same tactics.
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The report only adds a sense of "officialty" to something that was already common knowledge.However, the end results will be exactlly the same. Only those down in the chain will get punished. Maybe use some obscure general as an escape goat, a couple of lieutenants and that´s that! The real guilty parties will go on doing what they know best, and we will be none the wiser!
In a few weeks all this turmoil will be forgotten, and it´s back to the old ways again.
Just the other day i was watching a documentary on Iraq, where a few former detainees on some US prision camp were talking about their encarceration. They told that they were stuffed 5 or 6 at a time into some 2 feet high wooden boxes, a few feet long and 2 feet wide. The US troopers called it the "rathouse". You had to crawl inside, and the only position you could stay was in a fetal position. And when they came to get one of the detainees for questioning, they would kick the sides of the box with their boots and yell "Wake up, rat! Wake up!". The detainees were left in the boxes for days, sometimes with the hood on, and their hands tied. The latest figures presented showed there were over 10.000 iraqis currently being detained without cause or legal representation.
Most of the iraqi soldiers who surrendered at the beginning of the war are still there. A couple hundred were released last year, but the others remained incarcerated. Just as any "foreign fighter" that the US Army got their hands on.
Because of such a high number of detainees, there aren´t any infrastrutures to accomodate them all, and so the US Army resorted to using outside barbed wire compounds, exposed to the elements and sleeping on the ground.
Who knows how many have perished due to these extreme conditions?
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Emperor Augustus of Rome.

U.S. Town Sees GIs as Real Victims in Iraq Abuse

Can they possibly be any more ignorantly-arrogant?..

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Torture justified under some circumstances: human rights lawyer

If you think this guy is American, you are correct

If this is indeed a leading human rights lawyer, I cannot even fathom, what the less senior "human rights activists" stand for

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I was shocked at the US prison photos and agree that this kind of abuse is not to be condoned. When I saw that Rush Limbaugh had defended the actions of the troops by saying it was just like a fraternity prank and shouldn't cost the jobs of some good people I was again reminded why I hate him so much.

HOWEVER, can you imagine how much hate might swell inside of you when you are out there fighting, and especially when they drag your comrades' dead body along the street?

I am now beginning to put all this into context. Comparing the US behavior to what Saddam used to do to his own people (torture chambers, executions, the raping - plenty of info out there) and what many other countries do to their enemies in times of war, wouldn't you agree that what went on (at least what we know went on, I guess we'll find out more later) is not half as bad? Again, I am not saying that that kind of behavior is to be allowed.

If I had a choice of having to sit on a broken Pepsi bottle until it filled with my blood, being beaten until dead, or dancing around naked, I guess I would start dancing like Michael Flatley. I am beginning to think that this incident, if anything, just proves the high standards that the US is being held up to. I don't defend those abusive GIs though, I think they should be dishonorably discharged. As for Rumsfeld, I have always hated him, but wanting him to resign changes nothing because he won't.

I actually don't expect any of you to agree. As we all know, our minds are already made up even before reading these posts.

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Contrite Rumsfeld warns worse to come

So, the US troops are different from Saddam in what way, exactly?

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Like I said, that answer was forseen.

Again, I said " I guess we'll find out more later" because I also read the news. Do you honestly think that it will be as worse as Saddam? (More like a rhetorical question because I don't expect any piece of objectivity from you.) I doubt it, but who knows. We'll find out like I said...

In a sense, I think they are right. My guess is that this is not such an isolated incident. Also, I think that this incident has been "encouraged" from higher ups in both the military and intelligence. Check out this article from late 2002:

http://www.iht.com/articles/81546.html

If senior military and intelligence people are saying things like this in 2002, is it really any wonder that the enlisted grunts have come to do what was done at Abu Ghraib?

That's a rather weak argument don't you think? 'Saddam was worse, so why complain?' (and yes, I know you don't agree with torture)

Unless these are in fact unique cases I think there is something terribly wrong in the US army. I know it's 'just' human nature, and soldiers from any country could do this after witnessing their friends die, but torture wouldn't happen after proper training and supervision, would it?

Uhhmm.. where did I say 'don't complain' again LOL?

Re-read my post if you have to, but my point was about putting things into context and comparison.

from the New York Post:i now demand full, uncensored disclosure! All photos and videos must be released! :D