How (and from whom) do you think CBS got those images? Tell me.

Are you drunk today, or something? You seem to be abnormally upset or belligerently bellicose today, for some reason.

Suspension? A suspension before the CBS people even got wind of this and came to film their report? Hmmm! Now I wonder who decided to start suspending (and indeed, arresting) people well before those reporters had even heard of this -- before they heard of it through the US military command itself? It couldn't possibly have been the military taking action all on it's own, could it have been? Then, later, along come the news reporters...so you're saying that they dug all this up on their own you think? Is that what you're claiming? C'mon. Say that. Make my day...

I wish i were. That way i wouldn´t remember all this in the morning.
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CBS received the photos from a soldier inside.No argue there. He didn´t go to Kirmmit (the frog), he went to Dan Rather or who ever it was. He went to the press FIRST. Maybe knowing he would be hard pressed to get anything done about it, had he delivered it to his superiors.
Kirmitt was pressed by the show to do something about it. Had there been no show, there wouldn´t have been any torture in Abu Ghraib, period.
If that isn´t sweeping under the rugg, what is? They would have kept silent about this.
Also, knowing how Kimmit acts and what he thinks of iraqis, weren´t you a bit surprised by such a convenient change of heart? It´s all for show.
Kimmit couldn´t care less about iraqis, arabs, muslims or anyone else on those lines.He would never suspend one of his generals just for the sake of a bunch of "terrorists" and "thugs", as he calls them. He was forced to, by the leak to the media.

Btw, i find it more distressing that they had a woman there, in front of the naked POWs. Even more than the eletrocution thing. For the muslims, that is the worst thing you can do, on all accounts. Any iraqis that see this will be hard pressed not to seek revenge, that´s for shure.

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Let's see your links on that...

Here's the link for my quotes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/29/politics/29ABUS.html

Hmmm...now let me think real hard...which comes first...March or April?

I assume this was meant for me.

I was talking about the punishments the participants are going to get, not the reporting of the problem. They haven't been punished yet, have they? The army can still wait a while and when the media hype around this have settled the accused will get a slap on the wrist and nothing more. But we will see that when the time comes.


I'm curious, who might the "high-and-mighty" "perfectly flawless assholes" be?

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Granted. I´m wrong as to whom they went first.
But it doesn´t excuse the fact that they didn´t plan to come clean. Hadn´t there been a leak to the press, this matter would have been solved with a slap on the rist and nothing more.
Kimmit only admited to these charges AFTER the CBS show. Four months passed since the initial report, wich came in January, not March. Four months, in wich time nothing was done about the soldiers. Nothing was reported. The Army swept it under the rug and hoped for the best.
And i can even understand why. These reports are flamming every muslim on earth, and they wanted to prevent it.

"An investigation began in January after a soldier reported the alleged abuse to superiors, Kimmitt said this week."

"Kimmitt said he has met with representatives of Iraq's newspapers to discuss how to report the story. Iraq does not publish newspapers on Friday, the Muslim holy day". CNN.

You disagreed when i pointed out that the US isn´t the saint they claim to be. This case only comes to prove what was already know, from cases like Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan that there are serious abuses within the US military. Are you going to claim this doesn´t exist aswell? Fabrication?
Just like the "there are no fat soldiers in the army" thing? Like the "we don´t kill civilians" thing? Why are you so eager to dismiss these charges and downplay them? It´s not like you have something to gain with it, is it?

Whenever there is something damning of your beloved military, you´re relentless at jumping at people´s throats.Why won´t you admit they are not the shining crusaders you make them out to be?
You´ve got to take out the rotten apples, otherwise it will spread to the whole fruit basket.

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Well... seems the Army knew since February that this crap was going on.

A month later, General Karpinski was formally admonished and quietly suspended, and a major investigation into the Army’s prison system, authorized by Lieutenant General Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior commander in Iraq, was under way. A fifty-three-page report, obtained by The New Yorker, written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba and not meant for public release, was completed in late February. Its conclusions about the institutional failures of the Army prison system were devastating. Specifically, Taguba found that between October and December of 2003 there were numerous instances of “sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses” at Abu Ghraib. This systematic and illegal abuse of detainees, Taguba reported, was perpetrated by soldiers of the 372nd Military Police Company, and also by members of the American intelligence community. (The 372nd was attached to the 320th M.P. Battalion, which reported to Karpinski’s brigade headquarters.) Taguba’s report listed some of the wrongdoing:
Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.


http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Enjoy the reading!

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This whole business looks to me more like the Algeria war every day...It's going nowhere fast, that's for sure...

It is heading for dissaster in a hurry....

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It's already a disaster. It has been since it was in the planning stages. It's Vietnam all over again, but this time with a frighteningly religious overtone.

The basis for the Seymour Hersh article in the New Yorker was a classified report by General Antonio Taguba. You can find the whole text here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/

One of the scariest aspects of this whole mess is the "other Government Agency" (OGA) involvement, especially in regard to the so called "ghost detainees."