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Old 01-14-2006, 06:01 PM
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It took me 2 weeks to respond cuz I got caught up on what i thought was my own definition of "greed", but I found it harder to define than before with revisions. Plus I got side tracked with family affairs and conversations of the like.

Keep it real is a funny phrase, but I think reality is a social construction. One that's highly malleable.

Further, how do you enforce Greedlessness or mutual symbiosis? With might.
Do you intend to shoot people who are greedy (since exile to another planet isn't currently possible)? If necessary.
Is greed really a crime (let alone a capital crime)? Not sure, but I think it's the cause of no world peace and I think no world peace is a crime.
How do you define greed? "wanting something unnecessarily at the expence of depriving someone else of it." People can want or think whatever they wish, they just shouldn't act on it.
If I make a smart business decision and end up with more “stuff” than my neighbor (money, property, food, etc.) does that make me greedy? potentially yes, if it infringes on the rest of society's ability to survive adequately.
Will I be executed for it? yes.
Executed for making a good business decision? Executed for shortchanging society that depends on you as much as you depend on them.
How do you intend to enforce world peace? With might.
Do you attack dissenters (not very peaceful)? Peace can only be obtained through those who want it. If others wish to live outside of society on there own then it's ok, so long as they don't infringe upon society's resources. "If you want peace, then prepare for war." Free Association comes to mind.
Do you confiscate all weapons in the whole world and wipe people's brains so they can't figure out how to make more? Weapons don't kill people, people kill people. Weapons are irrelevent to world peace.
What if people don't want unity (many people don't)? These people are the enemies, they're subhuman, their greed is getting in the way of world peace.

What if they don't want to unify languages (look around, most people don't)? What if they don't want globalization? What if they want borders? What if tyrannts don't want peace, but want to perpetuate oppression? These people aren't people. They're not for people, they're for themselves. They don't represent humanity. They don't want world peace as I said before. Peace can't be obtained by people who don't want it so they must perish.
How do you outlaw a thought? Greed as a desire doesn't harm others, acting on behalf of it does. The action is what counts.
How do you determine what is greed and what is incentive? You only have to determine what harms society.
Do you think that people will choose difficult careers without the incentive of a better lifestyle? I think people will choose what pleases them.
Can't that incentive be considered greed? Not really, If it's not harming anyone then it's not greedy.
We've covered this before, what is your justification for telling someone that even if they work hard and earn certain rewards, they can't have them because that would be greed? They're working hard at hogging resources away from people who need them. Their reward is a stockpile of material wealth to passed on to thier offspring so that their offspring can with hold goods from more people who need them. That's a natural law system and that system doesn't get world peace. It's gets very violent reactions.

Do you believe that without incentive, the vast majority of people would still work hard and accomplish things? The incentive is world-MOFO-peace! The incentive is a virtually free home & food & clothes for everyone. The incentive is helping others and inturn being helped by others. The incentive is large-scale recreation. Fucking people over for a living is not an incentive for anyone who has self-respect or wishes for fellow respect. Helping others & having fun is the only thing worth accomplishing, everything else obselete.

Where's the line between incentive and greed? When you try to take something that you don't need and it ends up harming someone else for it. That's the big thick line.
Who gets to draw that line? The Human Society for World Peace, a.k.a. everyone who wants world peace.
Do you really want to execute entrepreneurs who bring progress because they earn more than that line? Yes. There's no need for "progress" or "entrepreneuring". Forget about business, forget about money. They're evil!
Consider the business of helping others and having fun - it's free.

So doing business with a tyrant makes me a tyrant? yes. Would helping satan make you a good guy?
What if I didn't know about the tyranny? You're responsible for actions and their consequences.
What if there is a product that only comes from a certain tyrannical nation (it is a resource found only there) and that product is necessary to make a medicine that saves millions of lives annually? There's only the human nation in this scenerio. The resource must be given to those who need it, anyone who gets in the way of that must perish.
So what is a “reasonable” amount of time? Ask the tyrant if they are willing to negotiate. If yes, then 2 weeks or less. If no, then instant war. It's simple. Either effectively render the tyrant no longer a tyrant or kill them. which ever comes first.
How many people must die before you decide that diplomacy isn't working? 2 weeks or less worths.
What if during those 10 years, you see real progress? Kill the tyrant and get it over with, they have forfeited thier right to live on this planet with rest of us.
When do you decide to start a war? when 2 weeks are up or they don't comply.
For that matter, what if the state department can't give a time line? then instant war.
Do you issue an ultimatum (backing yourself into a corner)? Yes, you back them into a corner.Do you then proceed with a war if that ultimatum isn't met? Yes.
These are all outlawed actions, but outlawing them doesn't stop them. - Execution will stop them eventually. There will be no evil-doers left realistically.
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