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Old 12-03-2005, 12:54 AM
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Hmmm.. yeah, pat on yourself on the back Nostradamus.

First of all, there's nothing original about your "solution." You can see a lot of people commented with similar ideas (you probably read conservative blogs don't you?) when the riots took place. Language requirements are common (Germany) and nothing you recommended or Villepin wants to do is original. I mean come on, isn't "tightening immigration controls" the first thing one thinks of when a country has such problems? I also didn't read anything about deporting people, so in the end all you've said is that these immigrants need to assimilate. I don't think anyone here wrote the contrary so I guess we're all self-congratulating geniuses.

In any case, Villepin’s policy may be a solution that's going to help them out in the long run, but it does nothing for the present situation. Like I said, the pissed off kids that are causing the problems now and will likely cause problems in the future speak French and are citizens already. Their ability to speak French certainly doesn't seem to help the situation now does it? They are French citizens but do not even feel like they are French. Has Villepin come up with any solid ideas on how they'll gauge how integrated someone is into French society? I don't think so. Is he just saying what he can to seem firm so he can help his future presidential campaign? Yes.

Villepin wants parents of delinquents to sign a pledge of some kind and be liable for their behavior. If the kids screw up, the government may suspend any aid the family is getting. (That's an example of something you may not have read since it's not easily found in English.) Although the first article says some want to improve living conditions for these suburbs, you can see the kind of stuff they're trying to do to improve the present situation.

BTW, comparing yourself to a French Prime Minister is not exactly a big ego boost. They have all been failures for a long, long time, and I don't think they "get it" either lol.

And finally, please make an effort to write succinctly. It's torture reading some of your posts because you go out of your way to stretch out your ideas to no additional effect. I don't read most of your long posts because you're often just covering your back (I don't discuss specifics, not because I don't know them but because it is more important to separate them blah blah blah). That's why I didn't bother replying to your previous post. One should not have to read 4-5 paragraphs echoing the same idea, it's like listening to a nagging girlfriend/wife.

As a good example, look at these four sentences you listed:
1) France would need to deport immigrants who wouldn't assimilate
2) Limit immigration to those who have taken steps to assimilate
3) Admit that forced diversity is a failure and that people need to be responsible for fitting into society.
I've also written that the immigrants would need to assimilate into French culture.

2,3, and the last sentence are painfully similar, and 1 is a related idea.

Again, I don't mean to knock since you do write well (in style), but it would help the discussions.

Last edited by hehehhehe; 12-03-2005 at 01:07 AM.
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