I must say this thread has been very amusing to read...

But again this is the same as the other thread regarding religion... its just bound to turn into a flame fest, but I must say it hasn’t been too bad so far (except for a few that shall remain nameless).

Since the question is do you "believe" well that’s just the point do you faith in the un-provable? You cannot prove something derived from faith, for faith is the absence of reason and visa versa.

Each side just goes back and forth...

"prove it!"

"no u prove it!"

"no I asked u first... etc..."

The point is that it can’t be proven. Now one may say that is because it doesn’t exist... now that maybe true, but absence/lack of evidence then makes a reason argument of proof of the "divine" and its institutions (in this case heaven and hell) futile for both sides.

Faith is a double edged sword in many cases but if you are respectful of others faith or lack of faith we should all be great and join hands like in that old Coca Cola commercial (which looking back through out history and even today it has sadly been difficult to do and that has more to do with the nature of religion than faith).

And if you are truly of faith you should not need to attempt to go out and prove your religion (which many do in order to promote theirs as the right one which again is futile effort). So in reality my guess is as good as yours and visa versa.

Though personally I believe that the concept of eternal damnation is a self defeating point, especially if you subscribe to an active, predestining, all knowing god (which is a discussion for a whole another thread). Maybe there is a "hell" or some kind of punishment but I wouldn’t subscribe to it being indefinite, that’s little excessive.

As for Heaven, well, I think it is the most desired ends for a mortal, it is perpetual immortality do of course I want to believe in it and at the very least I hope for it. But what do I know I also believe in Santa Claus, kinda got screwed on that one, but the presents are what counts, what does it matter if my toy was made by an elf or a child laborer in some third world country... its still a toy. Although reincarnation is a pretty cool concept as well (but in the end you are attempting to achieve a form of enlightenment which would send u to a heaven like place and take u out of the reincarnation cycle).

I have always pondered of what u would do all day in heaven... both Islam and Christianity have this concept of loss of temptation. But if it’s like “Leave it to Beaver” land with palm trees I think I would get pretty board quickly. And you would have to ask if you lose the will of temptation does that mean I lose my free will. The ancient religions ideas of after life are quite interesting, for the Ancient Greeks after life just kinda sucked in general more like a Christian purgatory, what u did in life was how you were to be remembered. The Vikings Valhalla (their name for heaven) was a constant feast/party and constant battles, sounds pretty cool... but im sure that would even get old over and over... meh, partying never gets old what am I thinking...

Well... I did it again, Im going on a rant... well I must stop and let you post away your ideas. Take out of this what you will… Its just my 2 cents and I have plenty of change so you can keep it... seriously.

I guess in the end we will all find out we die… and I hope that is later rather than sooner for everyone here.

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