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Originally Posted by Punkpuss
That's just the thing, to me & shane bowing to a shitty god for all eternity is eternal suffering. In the end you're either a slave or bar-b-que, call me crazy or stupid, but that's just not good enough for me.
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Well, then you're saying that,...let's take Islam as an example. You're saying that giving away no more than 30 minutes a day and following some rules that are more like common sense and ending up in heaven where anything you haven't even dreamt of is possible and where you needn't pray no more is something you don't want to do? And you would rather end up in hell? Eternal suffering? And it's not like you are praying for nothing. If you try to count God's gifts to you, you would NEVER finish. And your "bowing" ends when you reach heaven, so you won't pray forever.
I think that's just plain outright silly and stupid.
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Originally Posted by Shane
Merciful?
Would a merciful god kill all the first born children of Egypt who were guilty of nothing as a punishment to the Pharaoh for not letting the Jews go?
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First off, I'm not sure "exactly" what incident you mean. Care to clarify? We don't have God doing such a merciless thing in Islam on the undeserving. Is it in Christianity?
Second of all, you can't expect life to be a happy-merry-go-round for everyone. God has to test you to see wether you deserve to go to Heaven or Hell. It's not as simple as 1-2-3.
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Originally Posted by Sandals
So what I have seen so far is that shane and punkpuss would rather go to hell than follow a few simple rules when faced with the actual existence of God? That just strikes me as stupid honestly.
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Bingo.
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Are you saying that your motivation for every single thing you do revolves around the afterlife? I find that quite unbelievable.
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NO. My ulitmate, goal. My praying, my avoiding sin and my abiding, or doing my best to abide by God's rules revolves around the afterlife. Not EVERYTHING I do, because that would be too consuming. Maybe some do that, I don't know.
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Originally Posted by Shane
Its not the rule following, I already follow most of the "rules" because they are fucking obvious, I am just saying I would not pray, I wouldn't go to church, I wouldn't tell people how great the lord is, I wouldn't acknowledge him as the master of my life and if that means going to hell then so be it.
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Again. Let's speak Islam wise, so 30 minutes a day is too much to do so that you can achieve eternal bliss?
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Originally Posted by Punkus
You're soo right, he's not forcing us to obey him at all. He's totally giving us the merciful choice of burning forever instead, how could I have not of seen that before, silly me(blatant sarcasm.) He's a tyrant and you fear him, just admit it.
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You have the choice, my friend. If you obey, heaven. If you don't, hell. So, of course fearing God is part of the process. He is the MOST powerful. Who else would you fear? George Bush? Sadam Hussein? You have to fear God's punishment, and crave the prize you are offered if you obey. That's what I believe.
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Originally Posted by Punkus
How could you enjoy this life knowing you're going to be stuck in so-called heaven obeying a ruthless tyrant and that if & when you don't then you'll be sent to hell? Life is much more meaningful & optimistic considering that possibility may not even be a reality. It's unmotivating & depressing to think otherwise. Besides, motivation is internal, not external meaning it comes from you, not god or anybody else
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Again, in Islam. Anything you must do for God, ends when you die. No obeying in Heaven.
Besides, I'd say not wanting to end up in Hell and wanting to go to Heaven is enough "internal" motivation.
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Originally Posted by Punkus
You just keep following your little rules & doing what you're told and keep quiet while the adults are talking, mama's boy. pwned.
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Childish.