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Old 08-20-2005, 03:29 AM
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I'll start where I left off in the other tread, "I do not absolutely adhere to natural law. I prefer out-right natural law to government, but that doesn't necessarily make natural law overall favorable to me -sorry if that was the impression."

1."Since you acknowledge power exists and the strong are the ones who wield it, then they are the ones who have the power and make the rules and that is not unjust. As such, you cannot then blame the very ones who have the power for the rules they've made, they are just wielding their natural law power. In other words, the government currently wields the power, just as an animal kingdom leader would and the members of the herd/pack/pride/etc. simply have to obey because "nothing can be unjust." -Agreed. Natural law is underlying & inherent in all life. Humans are natural, therefore the things they do are natural, including creating governments. Government(the stronger) dictating the citizens(the weaker) is accordance w/ natural law. And I cannot be blamed as the weaker to wish to destroy the stronger, as any creature would in the name of self-preservation. Humans, of all animals, possess the mental abilities to distribute power equally amongst fellow humans atleast. natural law is prevelent in government, as it would be in anarchy, though it would be more managable & more honest in nature.

2."We never get to make all of the rules, even if we are the leader of the pack (proof: show me how being the leader will allow you to change the rule that you will die at some point)." -However unlikely, but if you're the leader of the entire world for instance, then you could command the planet to create some form of immortality.
"Upload Theory" ( http://www.primitivism.com/uploading.htm ) for example seems a promising bet. Science doesn't permit for inevitability, nothing necessarily has to die, nothing's written in stone. rules can be broken.


3."Given this, aren't they simply equivalent to natural law alpha-males who are simply exercising their right of power over you as an omega animal? Explain how natural law will prevent this." -natural law can't prevent this for this is natural law. though by abolishing government, and correspondingly all it's institutions, it can significantly reduce the amount of power that was manipulated to give them their so-called alpha status to begin with. It would cut the playing field down to managable ratios of differences in power.

4."Neitzsche never recognized a basic fact that all people (including him) hold faith in many unprovable things." -I enjoy much of Nietzsche's philosophy, though certainly not everything, as I do w/ many philosophers. The quote serves as a maxim for acquiring truth, I don't have faith in the person who said it.

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Originally Posted by Giggley_Girl
How could you ever be sceptical of a childs love? One of the great things about kids...especially young ones, is that they have not learned to lie yet.

The gallery is at the top left hand of the page...above the advertisement.
That's the problem, children have not learned enough to question your love for them or your motives. they have not experianced enough to comprehend the what's & why's of their surroundings. At young ages they're are as competent as domesticated cats & dogs in response to affection.

I had a sucky childhood and from what I've gathered I'm not the only one. The nuclear family is a myth to me, a lie to me. Parenting is B.S., it's natural function is to prepare the child for survival in the world, not to instill in them the fears, beliefs, & prejudices of the parents. I know of women who have given birth soley for the affection, "love", & company that only an ignorant infant can give to them as they have grown depressed, lonely, & undesirable. It's understandable, but it's not an acceptable reason to create another life that will needlessly be subjected to the cruelties of nature. It's nothing personal, I just don't like parents cuz I don't like the concept & I don't like mine.

thanx for showing me where the gallery was, I'll be uploading some pix of me soon
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