@thedevilf - you really should inform yourself before typing anything. Every member of the UN Security Council believed that Iraq had WMD and was a threat to the world. All of them. What were they saying that we should have listened to?

We sit across the table at Kyoto and beg for conciliations. We are told the conciliations we want are not even up for discussion. We refuse to participate if that is the case and we are called "planet killers" and "unilaterally" destroying the Earth and undermining efforts to save it. (Later, in order to make the protocol work, the conciliations we asked for are written into the document.) Was Europe's "consultation" empty talking? Ultimatums? Threats? Of course not, it's Europe! Lesson: If Europe says it's good, it's good and no amount of negotiating will change that.

We sit across the table at the UN and say, "Enough talk. Do something." We ask that the UN say what it means and mean what it says. We spend considerable time negotiating with our "allies" (does that term even have any relevance any more?). We allow for even more resolutions. At considerable expense, we put troops on Iraq's front door to elicit the only cooperation we have seen in 4 years. But no matter what we do, we are told that no matter what, force will never be an option. So we go to war to answer a threat that everyone believes to exist. And we are called "murderers" and accused of "unilaterally" attacking sovereign states without cause. Our attempts at getting the UN to actually do something are called "ultimatums" and "threats". Lesson: If Europe says it's bad, it's bad and no amount of negotiating will change that.

So, the two lessons we have learned are: If Europe says it's bad, it's bad. If Europe says it's good, it's good. And the US is arrogant for even imagining she knows better. What a joke.

We gave Europe a chance to stand up for what it supposedly believes in and it failed the test. It is Neville Chamberlain arisen. We tried negotiating at Kyoto, but Eurabia was not interested in negotiating - it was interested in getting its way. We stand up for ourselves and take the blame. We tried negotiating over Iraq, but Eurabia was not interested in negotiating - it was interested in getting ts way. We stand up for ourselves and take the blame.

Personally, I'm sick of taking the blame. There are two very large oceans that separate us from you and a lot more work that our soldiers could be doing here rather than saving your sorry asses from the next Islamic Empire. If we had strong borders, with 140,000 soldiers guarding them, Iraq, Iran, N. Korea and any other problem that Europe has allowed to fester would never be a problem for us. Do you feel as secure?

So I say, the Iraq war was a huge, collosal, stupendous mistake. It's your backyard and if you want to let the weeds grow then, by all means, let them grow. If Bush starts making noise about getting us involved in another patch of worthless dirt then I'll be the first to call for his impeachment. I'm sick of our soldiers dying for some other country. The last time they died for this one was 140 years ago.
And this is the height of your arrogance. The arrogance that has typified this entire ordeal. Of course our "new allies" are "blindly" following us. What else could explain it? If mighty France and Germany object then it must be the wrong course of action.

Note the irony when you immediately turn around and call us arrogant for believing you should give a shit.
I'm not sure how you group building a nuclear reactor into science. The science is pretty much figured out by now. This is a construction project. A very, very, large and expensive construction project. And the question is: who will get the economic boom from hiring a bunch of workers to build it? France, her employment situation desperate, clearly wants the windfall and is willing to snub the group if it doesn't go her way.

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