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Originally Posted by Phunkie
I can see that in your world you also have blind faith in your leaders and believe every word they speak out loud.
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That is hilarious. Why would you say that? Did I say that I believed everything Bush said? Oh wait, I get it. With you, I don't actually have to say it. You can read my mind, right? Or perhaps you just think whatever you want me to say and then, regardless of what I say, you already know your answer. Very clever.
You see, the problem with your method is that when I go to evaluate a person's claims, I'm actually evaluating what they claimed. When you go to evaluate a person's claims, you're evaluating what you think they said.
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It doesn't matter if the Bush administration has said the exact words. It is enough that they tell the American people that al-Qa´eda was responsible for 9/11 and that Iraq has close ties with the organization, harbours terrorists etc.
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Perhaps in your world, and the world of those who choose to listen haphazardly to what is being said to them.
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If you really believe that the Bush administration has done their best from the beginning to keep Iraq and 9/11 separate issues, and that they have done so by not speaking the exact words,
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Once again, I never said that the Bush administration has done their best from the beginning to keep Iraq and 9.11 separate issues. I never even implied that. Honestly, I don't know how you function.
I've said that neither Bush nor his administration ever tied Iraq and 9.11 together. They also never claimed that the upper management of United Airlines was involved in 9.11, yet two of their planes were used for the attacks! Omigod! United Airlines has declared war on the US! And Bush believes as much because I distinctly remember him saying, "Two United Airlines flights slammed into the World Trade Center". Shouldn't Bush come out and say that there is no tie between the upper management of United Airlines and 9.11?
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then it seems a bit pointless to discuss this any further with you.
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Obviously. You could have my part of the discussion all by your lonesome.
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What? How did you come to the conclusion that this is a very touchy issue for me? Or is it supposed to be an insult?
And no, I was not manipulated. I still have my brains left.
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Oh, you know, I read your mind. Remember, it's not what you say that's important, it's what I think you said.
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I'm truly amazed of the filter through which you see Bush's actions. You honestly think he has been totally honest to the American people during the past 4 years? That he has done nothing to imply there might've been a connection between Iraq and 9/11? Amazing.
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And again, I never said I believe Bush has been totally honest to the American people during the past 4 years. What in the world is with you? Tell you what, I'll parse out where I would make a reply to your points and then you just fill in the rest.
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Many people tend to believe what the government tells them, especially when the message is repeated over and over again. You can't just give the government a carte blanche to lie or twist the truth, and when someone believes them you blame the guy for being gullible.
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Not all of them have to be stupid, but perhaps just too narrow minded or lazy to search more objective information about things than what the government tells you. When the government is the source of information which proves to be untrue they can be blamed.
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I think it is important because it shows the strategy of the administration. Talk about 9/11, talk about terrorism, talk about wmd, talk about Iraq, talk about Saddam, but don't mention Osama. Don't you think it's a bit strange that when they talk about terrorism they don't mention Osama who was/is the leader of al-Qa´eda and actually had something to do with 9/11, but instead they talk about Iraq and Saddam, neither of which had attacked the US, didn't have wmd, don't have strong ties with al-Qa´eda etc. ?
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As I have said earlier, the exact quote from Bush saying "Iraq had ties with 9/11" isn't needed. I'm sure everyone here understand that you can make a point without actually spelling out the exact words.
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When over 50% of the Americans still believe Iraq is linked to 9/11, don't it make you wonder where they might have gotten the idea? You really think they are all just so gullible, and they have only themselves to blame for making up such things in their heads?
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First of all, I'm not making the claims, Bush and his buddies are.
You may have noticed that Iraq has been on the agenda of Bush a bit more than Syria or Iran. Iraq had been on Bush's agenda for a long time. With a similar information campaign as now has been done but with more emphasis on Iran and less on Iraq, the Americans would probably now believe Iran was behind 9/11.
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