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Old 11-06-2004, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by fatboy
Why do you think Bush won? Was it a particular issue? Is it attributable to Bush? Kerry? The American people? Some outside influence (Osama, Europe, etc.)?
i believe a strong factor was the economy. when bushs turn begann, there was a lot of trouble brewing, namely the dotcom bubble bursting and a cyclical downturn and the negative elliot wave theory outlook for the stock market and then happened 9/11 but with a tax cut and deficit spending bush managed to stimulate the economy enough to make this recession the shortest in history on the other hand you have kerry, who ran on the promise to raise taxes/repeal the tax cut. i would not vote for someone, who says he will increase taxes.
the fact that about the whole world had voiced its support for kerry probably did not do much net. as many as were wooed for kerry by that were brought to cast their ballot for bush just out of spite.
i think there is only a small number of voters, who base their vote exclusively on the abortion issue, but among them the pro-lifers are the majority. however, bush only wants to do something against partial birth abortion, which does not satisfy these voters, so they probably voted for peroutka. and didnt kerry say, he believes life beginns at conception?
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Originally Posted by fatboy
Also, any comment on why the run-up to the election was so close - yet the victory so definite?
i never saw the run-up as close. when i checked the odds with my bookmaker, bush was allways the big favourite.
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Originally Posted by Rob_G
Add the lies about Kerry's vietnam era
i dont think that were lies, do you have any proof? there were lies about bushs time at the TANG, namely fake memos. then again, something that happened over 30a ago has little influence.
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Originally Posted by Rob_G
the third world style elections in a lot of places, which scare away people who don't feel very passionate about any of the candidates...non-US election observers who researched elections in other countries too...votingmachines
either it is too modern with voting computers or it is third world style, what is it? i would think those "non-US observers" would reassure voters - especially voters, who cast a ballot against bush.
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Originally Posted by Rob_G
Voting in my country works a lot better
the method in your country would actually worry me, as there is no paper trail, there can be no recount. we have 90million people in my country it works really easy, you show you passport at your precinct, they give you a paper ballot and you make an X in the box next to your candidates name and throw the thing into a box. so simple, no computer or scanner or lever or anything involved, but works like a charm.
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Originally Posted by Phunkie
The administration of Bush has made up enough stories about terrorism, Iraq etc. that many of the people probably actually believe that Bush is the only man who can save them.
you think he made this up? one month before hundreds of people in madrid were killed by muslim terrorists kerry said the threat of terrorism was exagerated. it is not made up and it is not exaggerated.
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Originally Posted by fatboy
Maybe that's why we have to wait in long lines. It takes a little more time to get 120M people to vote than 16M.
that is stupid, you just have to open more polling stations.
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Originally Posted by fatboy
Despite the constant and very consistent denial of this rumour by Bush. Despite the constant and very consistent reference to the 9.11 report in the press. Bush is still expected to be responsible for what everyone believes?
that is right, bush or anyone in his government never said saddam had helped in 9/11.

however saddam is believed to have helped in the first attempt to destroy the WTC and kill everyone in it in the 90s. it was just not taken serious enough back then, because not enough people died.
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Originally Posted by muspell
The question to you is: why is it important to say this in relation to the rationale for the war? Am I to understand that they are saying that /if/ there /might/ be a connection, then the war was perfectly justified due to the harbouring terrorists clause in the 2002 authorization? Is there another reason or justification? What do you think?
once again: the justification for the war was the invasion of kuwait.
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