@lulu - okay, I'm listening. What obvious flaws?
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Originally Posted by Rob_G
Well they were bashing him without a real need, weren't they? Actually I don't know too much about this, I might be wrong. Still, I think this campaign helped reelect Bush.
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There's no doubt their campaign helped Bush. I think it was intended to. Does that make it lies?
Kerry started his campaign by making his Vietnam service a campaign issue. Therefore, it is more than open to criticism. Kerry had his version of events and the overwhelming majority of men who served with him (only one of his boatmates actually supports Kerry's version) had a different version and a definite opinion on Kerry's leadership abilities.
Given that Bush has released all of his military records, by choice. I find it surprising that so few actually expect Kerry to. Which he never did.
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I saw a report about the US elections on tv november second, and I saw multiple things I thought were utterly wrong.
There were some non-US election observers who researched elections in other countries too.
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Can you point me to a link, because the only thing I've read is that the only complaint the observers had was that people had to wait in long lines.
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The first problem was that the elections were organised by political parties with agendas, in stead of by some neutral organisation.
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I'm sorry, where did you get this information? Elections are organized differently by each state, but all have laws that control the elections. In addition, there are federal laws which must be followed as well.
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Second are all the different ways of voting. This is far less efficient than a standardized way of voting, and makes electionfraud easier (not saying I have seen any fraud).
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How does this make election fraud easier? Easier than what?
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Third is the difficult ways some votingmachines work. They showed the original video manual of one of those machines, and I really had to pay attention to comprehend the complex system. Obviously I know such difficult machines are only a small part of the grand total, but still... The observers said they had seen elections that were better organised in some really backward countries.
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Again, I would like to see a link.
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Voting in my country works a lot better, I think. Everybody who's allowed to vote gets an electioncard at their registered homeadress months before the elections. Everybody gets them at approximatly the same time. When it's time to vote you take your card, go to the building where you have to vote (indicated on the card), wait in line for 0-5 minutes, show your card + ID to the volunteers. They look look up your name in their register, and you can vote. The machine shows the names of all the candidates (grouped by their party), and you can select your candidate by pressing the button with their name. The display now shows that name, and you can press the big vote button. The machine now indicates that you have voted, and you're done. Looking up your name in the register plus the actual voting takes about a minute, or less. Seriously, every retard who's able to read can do this. http://www.zowerkt.nl/rechten/images...ine_detail.jpg
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I'm not sure about other states, but I assume it works pretty much the same as mine. We get a booklet with the complete ballot proposals, the candidates, and a sample ballot months before the election. We also have the opportunity to mail our votes in rather than appear. Anyone can do this.
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Obviously my country is a lot smaller, but if it can work for 16 million people it can work for more too.
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Maybe that's why we have to wait in long lines. It takes a little more time to get 120M people to vote than 16M.
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Originally Posted by Phunkie
(According to polls) a huge percentage of Americans still believe that Saddam was linked to 9/11. And this is why? Answer: because of the constant and very consistent propaganda and lies of the administration.
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Despite the constant and very consistent denial of this rumour by Bush. Despite the constant and very consistent reference to the 9.11 report in the press. Bush is still expected to be responsible for what everyone believes?
Please, find me a quote from Bush, or anyone in his administration, that claims Iraq had something to do with 9.11. And please, don't drag up a quote that says, "Iraq has ties to al Queda." Unlike the huge percentage of Americans you reference, I understand that having links to al Queda doesn't imply that Iraq helped in any way with 9.11. Though I don't understand this either since Bush has also said that Iran and Syria (among others) has ties to al Queda but we don't hear anyone saying that Bush caused them to believe these countries were involved in 9.11.