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Originally Posted by *~$kAnDaLouZ~*
Hmmm, just to know. Are you saying that the children and people under 18 blowing themselves up in there are terrorists ? Or are you talking about what the israeli army is doing, things like killing countless innocent and very young palestinian civillians and destroying their homes ?
Personally, I don't feel like continuing this discussion. If you would like to know the whole story I suggest you get you info from other sources(not saying mine is 100% correct). Other sources as in Mulim sources for example. Not general information. Not extremists either but just idle muslim people that have knowledge of this.
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Note that in my post, I didn't say Muslim terrorists or Israeli terrorists. I said terrorists and I didn't specify ethnicity or religion. I also said that I hold both sides responsible.
I deplore terrorist acts regardless of where they are. If a member of a (semi) organized group intentionally targets a civilian (who is not a member of an opposing group), this person is committing a terrorist act. Now if a person is a known military or militant target, they are fair game. For example, if the head of a militant group is driving in his car, that car is a valid military target even if it is driving through a civilian area or even if there are civilians in the car with him. The way most nations deal with this is to remove military people from civilian areas, for example, a soldier in the US army is forbidden from having civilians in a military vehicle, and civilian military contractors know that they will be targets.
In the Israeli-Palestine conflict, the situation is difficult because militants on one side or another merge with the civilians and don't wear uniforms. We know the Israeli army does wear uniforms. I don't doubt that there are Israelis who fight Palestinians who don't wear uniforms. We know that there are some uniformed Palestinians and we know there are some who don't wear uniforms. Those who are not uniformed are still combatants and are valid targets if they can be properly identified. In your statement, you refer to children and people under 18 who blow themselves up. Yes, they are terrorists. I don't believe that there is anything magical that happens when someone turns 18. If a 14 year old becomes a suicide bomber and indiscriminately kills people, that person was a terrorist (and so was the person who sent the 14 year old, and I submit that the 14 year old's parents are responsible as well).
I think that terrorist acts on both sides must stop for peace to ever have a chance. The easiest way to do this is for all militias (on both sides) to be disbanded. Militaries are fine (and necessary), but any other attacks outside of military should be prosecuted by the side that spawned the attack and should be prosecuted harshly.
Now, I don't hear of Israeli terrorist groups. I have heard of the Israeli army making attacks and when those attacks target clearly nonmilitary targets, I believe that the Israeli government must stop them. The UN has passed multiple resolutions (with the US support) against the nation of Israel when necessary. I'd be happy to research any Israeli terrorist group that you might wish to name, I'm sure that there are some out there. I do know, however, that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are groups that are not part of the Palestinian army and are not part of the Palestinian government who do attack civilian targets. These groups must be shut down by the Palestinian Authority for there to be any chance of peace and a settlement in this region.
Skan, you brought up this discussion. I didn't start it or invite it. If it isn't going your way, I'm sorry. We are free here (I believe) to discuss anything and to continue discussions even if the originator doesn't wish it. If you want me to get Muslim takes on this issue, please point me to websites that have (factual) information and I'll be happy to read that information. I'll even be happy to comment on it.
-- Jeff