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Originally Posted by muspell
you are remembering very wrong if you mean to say you think Bush and Rumsfeld was suggesting to send more troops right after the war "ended". That didn't happen. In fact, it is well known that Rumsfeld ignored advice from Pentagon and from people on the ground about the amount of troops
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i did not write i thought bush and rumsfeld had suggested they would send more troops roght after the war ended. i wrote
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Originally Posted by genius
if more troops were asked for, they would send them.
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and i can remember about half a dozzen of interviews and pressconferences, in which bush, rumsfeld and the commanders in iraq all said, that the commanders woulg get all the troops and equipment they would ask for, if they asked for it, but they didnt. like this from april, 6th 2004:
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Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said today that American military commanders in Iraq will get additional troops if they request more soldiers to fight a growing Shiite uprising.
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"They are the ones whose advice we follow on these things," Rumsfeld said during the appearance in Norfolk with NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer.
"They will decide what they need, and they will get what they need," Rumsfeld said.
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Originally Posted by muspell
I should probably have written "Illegal occupier", or perhaps "invader" instead.
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what is illegal about it? there was a war that started in 1991 and now one party to this war has taken territory from the other. what is illegal here?
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Originally Posted by muspell
It occurs to me, though, that perhaps it is not the best comparison, post war Germany and Iraq? There were a few more labour unions in Germany than Iraq, I think, and it had perhaps been a democracy for some time before as well.
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the labour unions were all nazi organizations, remember it was the National Socialist German
Workers Party. and germans had experienced 21 years of democracy before WW2. but if you dont like to compare iraq to germany, fine, i merely used it, because it is the first thing that comes to my mind for personal reasons. you can compare iraq to japan instead, they were a monarchy without labour unions.
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Originally Posted by muspell
Perhaps Bush and Rumsfeld also though the situation would be the same in Iraq as Germany? That is, without considering the fact that post- war planning for Germany started two years before the war ended.
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oh there were exactly the same complaints back then in germany too:
"Loss of Victory in Germany Through U.S. Policy Feared" November 18, 1945
Grave concern was expressed today by informed officials that the United States might soon lose the fruits of victory in Germany through the failure to prepare adequately for carrying out its long-term commitments under the Potsdam Declaration. Government failures were attributed in part to public apathy. The predictions of a coming crisis are predicated upon three points:
1) The failure to start training a civilian corps of administrators to take over when the Army's Military Government pulls out of Germany by June 1.
2) The failure of the Government to set up an expert advisory group, such as that which existed in the Foreign Economic Administration's Enemy Branch to back up the American administrators of Germany with informed advice and provide a focal point in Washington for policy-making on the German question.
3) The failure of the Allies to decide together, or the United States for itself, the crucial economic question raised by the Potsdam Declaration; namely what level of German economic activity is desired over the long term?