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Originally Posted by *~$kAnDaLouZ~*
I REALLY AM NOT INTO POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS.
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And yet you are posting on a politics and religion board.
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So I feel like bashing your head right now.
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That's ok, I forgive you.
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1.The UN was probably pressured to creat Israel by a number of parties. Also, of course they voted with that. Countries that have relations with other countries of power try to do the same things and agree to keep those relations problem free.
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So now it's "probably". That suggests that you don't really know for sure. Ok, now we're talking about innuendo. You opened this thread with the question "Do you know the truth?" Apparently, you aren't sure.
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2.Learn your history better my friend. Nothing was really given away. The sultan of the Ottom Empire refused to give Palestine away to Theodor something. A supporter of starting an Israeli country. he only accepted cuz he was in need of money. Which he was then offered. Yes, they couldn't live in peace. I think it's easy to see why since more and more jews were coming in. Yes, many splits followed. More and more land going to the newcomers.
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Ok, I will, During WWI, the Ottoman Empire allied with Germany. The empire had control over much of the Middle East including Palestine/Israel. The British occupied that land during WWI and made an agreement with the French to keep it after the war (the Sykes-Picot agreement that I referenced earlier). The land was formally ceded to the British during the San Remo conference of 1920 (this was a League of Nations conference). The British, during this conference received the mandate to govern Palestine (modern day Israel and Jordan) and Iraq.
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3.The US always looks for its best interest. It wants to stay cool with more than one side. Whenever the UN proposed something that didn't work so well for Israel. The US used its right to Vito, not allowing it to happen. Of course iy would try making peace agreements. If it had the fucking brains, it would stop supplying Israel with weapons to kill innocent Palestinian citizens. I never said anyone voted based on religon or whatever. I just said most senators support Israel. No, I don't have a list. Nor do I care for getting one. I know the US is an ally...of those countries. That is not the point. The point is that most support originates from mutual benfit? and the fact that many people who have power in the US over this are jewish. If the US saw there was no more need to support Israel cuz it gives them nothing. Support would stop in a heart beat.
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Every government looks for their best interests. To do otherwise would be shirking the duty of the governments. Many times the US supported resolutions against Israel and many other times it abstained instead of vetoing the resolutions (feel free to look up the resolutions against Israel on the UN website).
What you actually said was "Most of the US senate is Jewish and what-not". This was in your post on 9/29/2004 where you told me to "OPEN YOUR BRAIN AND PAY ATTENTION TO THIS TRUE LIFE HISTORY LESSON !!!". If you don't stand by that statement any longer (about most senators being Jewish), then fine. I gave you the opportunity to prove it. The statement that most senators support Israel is debatable, but since Israel is an ally of the US, that makes sense. I would also argue that most senators support Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Turkey.
Now you've said that many people in power in the US are Jewish. I answer, so what? Many more people in power in the US are Christian. Still others are atheist and there are many who are Muslim. This mixture helps decide what is best for the United States and currently alliances with many Muslim and one Jewish country are considered in our best interest. Don't forget that as soon as Arafat renounced terrorism, the US immediately stepped in to try to help with the peace process. That's all we want, peace in the land, but we have a policy that we don't have any talks with terrorists, so if the Palestinians want our help, they can have it, they simply have to stop the terrorist tactics.
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4.I don't thin arafat or whoever will help. They want freedom of their country, which is what would really stop the war.
But, whatever. We agree here, disagree there. I don't care.
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For someone who doesn't care, you seem awfully angry about this whole thing. Look, I think that you can see from some of my earlier posts (dealing with religion for example) that I'm not anti-Muslim. I'm not posting here to attack the Palestinian people. I suspect that 90% or more of them don't want to be involved with terrorism and only want to live in peace. They made a mistake in leaving their homes (sorry, that's what history said happened, I wasn't there, so I can only read history reports for information). The official Israeli policy is that Muslims are welcome to live in Israel if they want to do so peacefully. Israel and the US have both tried to arrange for a creation of a state of Palestine and the PLO has worked towards this as well. Unfortunately, as long as small groups like Hamas continue to use terrorist tactics, this peace won't come.
-- Jeff