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Originally Posted by zteccc
I don't think most (or even many) Americans believe that Iraq had anything to do specifically with 9/11. Instead, most Americans believe that Iraq supported terrorist groups (not necessarily, but possibly including Al-Quaeda). The war in Iraq is more than just 9/11. It is war on a nation that supported terrorism. There has been some documentation of this (here are a few links).
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Not acording to the polls. Polls made inside the US showed over 50% believed Saddam was directly involved, and the White House used and abused of that feeling. The only know link of Saddam with a "terrorist" group is with palestinian groups, and we can debate wether these are terrorists or freedom fighters, donīt we? The links to Al Qaeda are non existent, except in the minds of Bush apologists. As said in one of your own links, it says and i quote:
"The new intelligence reports are at odds with a June report by the United Nations' terrorism committee, which said it had found no links between Iraq and al Qaeda."
As for the other two links, from the same site, i donīt think it requires comment. Especcially after seeing the publicity that it sports.
And to top all that, we have the declarations of Richard Clarke, the foremost american expert in terrorism.Of course then youīll say he is just another disgruntled ex-employee, along with all the others, so why waste my latin?
I would even concede that some Al Qaeda operatives may have been in Iraq, but that is hardly proof of any dealings between them. If you take that visit as proof, then maybe you should also view the US as being in bed with them aswell! After all, they lived in the US for years, right?
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You've suggested that fewer than twenty Americans in time of war agree to write a message on a bomb and that leads you to conclude that many Americans have a violent streak.
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I suggested what?? Where?
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The question to ask is: if the father hadn't lost his son and if he wasn't grieving, would he have requested the name on the bomb? A second question would be: How many others requested such a thing and how often was it granted? A truly violent streak would be indicated by someone who would have wanted his own name on the bomb after suffering no loss.
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Does his grief go away if he encourages killing other peopleīs sons and daughters and make their fathers grief aswell? Would the blood of others make him feel any better? If so, then he IS a violent man. One could understand this action, if it was taken within days of his sonīs death, but this took place 2 years later! It was not about grief, it was about revenge!
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The question to ask here is: Under non-wartime situations, without the loss of his son, would the father desire the destruction of any human life at all? This would indicate a disregard for human life.
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How many people died in 9/11? About 3000, right? And how many supported the bombing of Iraq? Millions! Should we expect that every one of those had some relatives in the WTC? Having suffered and grieving a loss was not the main reason behind the invasion, revenge was. Misguided revenge for an act that they canīt punish the real guilty ones. Where is Osama? Why wasnīt he caught?
The violence streek i mention is not based on this case alone, it is based on all the bombings, the killings, the abuses and the beatings that take place at their hands. It is based on the american gun culture, the serial killers, the gangs, the homicides, the car chases, the drive by shootings, all the Washington Snipers, the Charles Mansons and the Ted Buntys of America. Itīs the Cold Wars, the Vietnams, the Somalias, the Afghanistans and the Iraqs of the world. Itīs a whole violent culture that seeps in to the farmost corners of american society, and presents itself in every possible form. Itīs something that most americans never notice, so numb and acostumed they are to live like that. It takes an outsider to notice this, as americans have come to accept their condition, just as desert folk come to accept the heat of the sun.
Violence has become such a permanent part of life, that no one questions its existence anymore...
You can now accuse me of anti-americanism, if you want. I just tell it as i see it. You think that itīs just a coincidence that the US has fought more wars and battles in the XXth century than all european nations putted together?