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Originally Posted by fatboy
But it shows, as I think you'll agree, that an action either predicated or couched as predicated on belief, rather than absolute certainty, is a dangerous game to play. Then we must question, as you have, whether the risk of being wrong and committing the act outweighs the risk of being right and doing nothing.[/right]
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Like I said, a difficult issue that greatly depends on the circumstances.
But I for sure wouldn't have attacked Iraq with the certainty that existed at the time.
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Like you, I don't want to get into this again, but I think it important to dispel this myth. As David Kay has said, "France, Germany, Britain and Russia all agreed on one central fact – Saddam Hussein had sought weapons of mass destruction and was believed to have maintained stockpiles of these WMDs." Even Iraqi generals believed it.
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There may be situations where it would be desireable for the state to use torture, but IMO there is no situation where it should.
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I don't totally agree here. With a "24" type situation, or worse, I wouldn't be the one to say it is absolutely out of the question to use torture.