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Old 05-12-2004, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ranger
We are really only talking about one particular thread here, are we not?
Shouldn't matter. You use a personal attack once, and you're labeled that way. I've also read your responses in many other threads. When someone has an opinion which differs from your own, you automatically belittle that person for having the belief.

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Originally Posted by Ranger
If the source is simply a mindless parrot then lets call it a mindless parrot, so we're not laboring under any unnecessary illusions, here.
Mindless... This keeps coming up. Mindless apologist, mindless parrot.

Just because I choose to keep an open mind about things, rather than form a hard opinion, and I'm mindless? I'd go so far as to say that the 'mindless' individuals you keep bringing up, are those who have already rushed to form an opinion. I'm willing to keep an open mind, so I can see things without prejudice. You have formed one opinion and if ANYTHING is different from that, you go on the attack.

I guess you would really like to see me mindless. Give up MY opinion and join sides with you. Would that make you happy?

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Originally Posted by Ranger
You prefer to believe that it was a purely personal attack. Maybe it was. I prefer to think that I was simply pointing out the patently obvious to somebody that apparently very badly needed to be made aware of it, and that I did so in no uncertain terms.
What exactly did you point out in no uncertain terms? That I'm mindless?

If you feel that things need to be pointed out to me, why not point out the facts on the issue/thread, rather than call me mindless... or worse.

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Originally Posted by Ranger
Bush is a dickhead. An idiot. An inbred. A religious nut case. A fool. If you believe his shit then so are you.
So, you're pointing out that I'm a dickhead, and idiot, I'm inbred, a religious nutcase, and a fool. All of that because I have an opinion which varries from your own?

Yes... I can clearly see how all of that naturally applies since I have expressed a simple thought. Certainly because I choose to keep an open mind my parents must have been related to one another. Yes, Yes, Yes. Everything you've said about my personal character must apply. You are a supreme being yourself and can look down upon me and point out all of these flaws. :sleepy: Oh wait... I must have dozed off there. You're no more or less human that I am. You are no more or less entitled to an opinion than I am. The difference is that I'd much rather discuss the issue at hand, than call you names. Is there a reason that you can't seem to grasp such a basic concept?

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Originally Posted by Ranger
The forum and the thread participants were presented with the opportunity to weigh the possibility that you are nothing but a neocon political parrot, once I had openly voiced the charge, or at least they were given the opportunity to consider that possibility once it had been voiced.
Who died and made you the leader of the world? When were you granted the power to voice a charge against anyone of us?

Let people form their own opinions on me. I don't think they need your help to think for themselves. Or, do you consider everyone "mindless"? The funny thing is, everyone else who has an opinion different from mine has not once called me anything remotely close to what saturates your threads.

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Originally Posted by Ranger
I have already been to the funerals of three US servicemen in the past few months. Funerals for soldiers that I knew personally. Funerals for real people that I cared about -- they are not just nameless, faceless statistical blips to be bandied about just to make your lame neocon political points; not to me. I want YOU to understand that, clearly and fully. It IS a personal matter to me. Very personal.
OH... You want me to understand that. So, why did you not state something like that in a previous thread? Why not say what you just did, rather than call me mindless, etc, etc, etc?

I also find it very disturbing that you just naturally assumed that I have no loved ones caught up in the conflict. That I have not felt loss here as well. I have an uncle who was killed when one of those planes hit the WTC. I have two cousins, and several very close friends who are either currently in Iraq, or have very recently rotated out. I have, or should I say "I had" a very close friend killed in Iraq.

How dare you presume that I'm this mindless individual who has no personal ties to the conflict!

Don't assume that you're the only person in the world who has personal ties to all the fighting. It's thoughts like that which cloud your vision.

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Originally Posted by Ranger
They were good, decent men with wives, friends and families, and their lives have now been forfeited, all because of some incompetent fool's totally fucked up political (and personal) agenda. And I blame everybody that supports that fool for that loss. Including you.
Where exactly did I say that I support the war and support my friend being killed? Please, point that out to me.

I support the troops. They are doing a job that they signed up for. Is it unfortunate? Yes. I would never send my friends into a war to see them die. Do I feel like the president is to blame for everything wrong in the world? Absolutely not. Afterall, he's not a supreme being like yourself. :bitch

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Originally Posted by Ranger
Confronted directly, without any "politely toned-down" words or arguments. You need to be made aware of the real-life consequences and costs of your political bullshit, in human terms, so that you can fully "own" your own personal part in it, as you damned well should.
If you want to point something out to me, that's perfectly fine. Point out the issue. Don't belittle me in the process because I choose to think differently than you.

Human terms... Hmmm... Let me think on that for a moment...

Would human terms be something like attending the closed casket funeral of your best friend because his body was too damaged in Iraq to be viewed? Would it be spending an entire weekend with his parents, remembering what their son like in grade school? Would it be seeing his fiancé crying like I've never seen anyone cry before?

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Originally Posted by Ranger
Be thankful I can't actually get my hands on you physically. The way I'm feeling about all of this neocon bullshit right now I'd really fuck you up good if I could, and I'd suffer any subsequent consequences gladly.
And the truth comes out. Yes, anyone who has a thought different from your own, should simply be beaten into submission. Right? What a great pacifist you make. I'll bet your ex-wife and kids just loved you. Did you beat them too when they expressed a thought that you didn't agree with?

Perhaps you can cure me too if only you can hit me hard enough?

Naturally, you have the power to beat me down. The whole supreme being thing again, isn't it? Yes. Having never met me or even seen what I look like, you're supremely confident enough to make such a bold statement.

You know nothing of me, save what you've read in my posts. Do you go around ready to bash in the heads of people you actually meet in life who say something you don't believe in? I'll bet you're one heck of a blast at the summer block party! Yeah, I'll bet everyone just loves sitting around shooting the shit with you. One wrong word and you're ready to beat the crap out of them, right?

Be thankful that the internet is anonymous. Threats of any kind really aren't something I take all that kindly to.

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Originally Posted by Ranger
You wouldn't go after the very people that you know are responsible for intentionally hurting and killing the people that you care about? If you wouldn't, that's pretty cowardly, if you ask me.
Uhhh... Isn't that the basic reason why we're going after terrorists and terrorist nations? Because they did intentionally kill people that all of us care about? My uncle died in the attack on the WTC, along with quite a few other people.

Did you maybe forget that little event in history?

Ranger,

I don't know where all of this deep seated hatred has come from. I think you've really lost touch with some parts of reality though. There are those of us who have lost friends and family, yet we're still able to keep an open mind. You're baseless assumptions do nothing more than enrage you to the point where you are blind. Blind to the fact that there are more than one side to every story. Blind to the fact that despite losses, some of us still feel like the men and women fighting in Iraq are helping to bring some peace to the world. Blind to the fact that people do have different opinions from your own, and despite those opinions being different they are still intelligent, caring individuals.

What I say now, I say with all sincerity. I really think you need to seek professional help! You have gone way beyond what a rational person would do in a general conversation with people they don't know. Threats of violence against someone is not how you want to go about your life. You are so enraged over the violence happening in the world that you're now ready to beat me to death over the matter, because I'm not in complete agreement with what you've said. I think you've started to loose your own grip on reality if you feel like violence against someone is going to solve all your problems. You really do need to speak with someone about this pent up aggression. Otherwise, you are likely to actually follow through and hurt or kill someone who says something you don't agree with.
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