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Originally Posted by Barįa
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Interesting indeed. I am starting to have some doubts too, but they do not arrise from the points enumerated by that article.
Infact, some of them are outright pathetic.
1:The urine stream is not authentic? Well, how can anyone tell, from a set of black and white photos, that lack definition when augmented?
Having an open pouch is hardly sign of wrongdoing.
2:Brand new weapons in Iraq is not anything out of the ordinary. Weapons breakdown, are lost in battle and get stollen. They need replacements, that come in shiny condition due to oil. If these are false photos, we would also have to answer where the forgerer got his hands on such a weapon, along with a military truck.Claiming there is no particular model of a weapon in use in Iraq is also misleading. Some forces have access to several types of weapons.
Also, assuming these photos to be true, the troops involved were probably part of some disciplinary squad or Military Police, wich would explain mint condition weapons and uniforms, because they are not in the front lines.
The barrel uncovered could be explained by what i just said above aswell.
3:Magazine brand new? I canīt see shit, how can they tell there is or not any numbers on it? Black and white photos are not helping.
As for the arms of the guy being too slim, well, not everybody gets to be Arnold Schawrznegger clones, or do we? There are slim guys in the Army, just as there are fat guys. This is a pathethic piece of "evidence".
As for the floppy hat, many units use it while off duty, or outside conflict areas or not on patrols. The troops stationed on a base would wear it.So, we need to know where the photos were taken, donīt we?
4: If the guy shedding doubts on the photos had ever been in the military, he would know itīs virtually impossible to keep your panths over your boots. The movement of the legs, while sitting, and standing up again, pushes the elasticated bottom up, to the top of the boot. Any tall guy has serious problems with the panths crawling up the legs, like i did. And also, the panths are NOT inside the boots as claimed. Augment the photos and take a look.
As for "straight laced", i donīt know what the author means here. Does he mean the boot lace? If so, then it is only right to point out that individual units have theyīre own ways of lacing the boots. The MPs and APs have diferent ways of lacing than regular troops. Special forces could also have diferent types of boot laces.
As for the clean T-Shirt, we donīt know when these photos were taken. It could be hours into the beating process, but it could also be during the transport process, before interrogation and beating even started. That would also explain the truck.
Also to note:
The T-Shirt looks silky, the type football players use to avoid transpiration.
The legs have no hair in them. Maybe a young boy, a teenager.
Has a tattoo on his left shoulder.
5: "No movement" is not proof of forgery. The trooper could just be holding his boot against the manīs chest, he wasnīt kicking him.
A clean uniform is a requirement. Front troops might get some slack, but rear troops have to maintain a clean uniform. Nothing suspitious there.
The prisioner makes no curling movement because he is not being kicked, as pointed before. He is just being imobilized.If thereīs no pain, thereīs no need to curl up.
The points brought up by the skeptics are not really points at all. Except maybe one: The photos do seem staged.
Now, i would be the first to jump at this kind of thing, and as much as i would want to believe the photos are legit, i canīt let them slide if they are fakes. If it turns out this was infact a put up show, then we have to give credit where credit is due.
It still doesnīt excuse the british Army, as this was just one more instance of the dozen others being investigated by the british Army.
But instead of questioning the photos, maybe we should question who took them and handed them to the press.
Acording to the press, a soldier took those photos because he believed there were excesses being commited by fellow troops, and decided to come forth. But who is he? Where is he? Is he in Iraq? Is he a soldier? Has the newspaper, who first got his hands on this, done his homework? Did they check the sources? If this is a fake, where did they get uniforms, a weapon, and a military truck?
Questions, questions, and more questions, but no answers in sight...
