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Old 04-29-2004, 11:59 PM
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he may not have had any training in iraq, but i guess he had some in virginia.
The report I read (N.Y. Times) said:

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Mr. Myers said the accused men, all from an Army Reserve military police unit, had been told to soften up the prisoners by more senior American interrogators, some of whom they believe were intelligence officials and outside contractors.
In other words: by guys in civilian clothes, not military uniforms.

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It only comes to prove that the US doesn´t live up to the self-imposed human rights sanctity image.
Who the hell do you think first reported this? The US military did! Doh! One of the other American guards saw it and complained about it to his commander. The commander informed the Army and the Army informed the press and they informed everybody else, including you I guess. You really need to get a grip, SwamP_ThinG, I think you're really starting to loose it somewhat, buddy. Read the facts, and then post.

And, as I've said before: you can't judge an entire military organization or country based upon the actions of a couple fucked-up individuals - that just is not right. If a few individuals were incredibly irresponsible that's their failing, it certainly does not mean that everybody else knew of or agreed with their behavior. They have to take full personal responsibility for their own actions. The way you make it sound the US officially condoned this - and nothing could be further from the actual truth.

Lets get the facts straight here: a fellow US soldier (guard) reported this shit to his commander in the first place, and the US military, to it's credit, has fully and voluntarily reported the entire incident factually, they accepted overall responsibility for their own failures that allowed this to happen in the first place, and they immediately began taking steps to correct that situation and to make sure it never happens again.

They did NOT try to hide it or deny it or sweep it all under the rug, now did they? Did they? They certainly could have, easily enough. They totally controlled the prison itself and all the people involved, including the soldier that reported the problem. Nobody would ever have known if they had just decided to bury the incident completely. And a lot of other nation's armies would have done exactly that. Including the armies of a lot of the oh-so-righteous, high-and-mighty saints that regularly post in here, I'd wager.

Give some credit where credit is due, you perfectly flawless assholes.

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Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, chief spokesman for the American military command in Baghdad, told reporters that the investigation of Abu Ghraib prison began in January after a soldier came forward.

"I'm not going to stand up here and make excuses for those soldiers," General Kimmitt said. He said that "if what they did is proven in a court of law, that is incompatible with the values we stand for as a professional military force, and it's values that we don't stand for as human beings."

He added: "This does not reflect the vast majority of coalition soldiers, or the vast majority of American soldiers that are operating out of Abu Ghraib prison."
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