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Originally Posted by bob_m
there are already laws against vandalizing and attacking people. a vague law
infringing the right to free speach won't rebuild cemetaries and heal beaten
people. i am in no way one of those supporting absolute free speach, but if
even germany is against the proposed resolution, then that is an indicator to
me that the law is useless or contraproductive. as we all know, they have a
law that punishes antisemitic and racist speach, so they aren't against the
principle of limiting free speach, if it is for a good reason.
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Oh, great. Another dose of irrelevant rhetoric. Tell me, bob_m, why do we have a penal system? Imprisoning a murderer will not resurrect his victims, after all.
And why are you all so obsessed with protecting the free speech against the non-existent threats? One needs to be immensely paranoic to see some menacing characteristics in a resolution that simply denounces the modern forms of fascism.
The fact that Germany voted against the resolution defies all logic, considering their problems with the neo-Nazis, such as:
German neo-Nazi threat 'rising'
Neo-Nazi outrage stuns Germany
Plan to combat neo-Nazis 'failing'
So, The German Office for the Protection of the Constitution accepts its failure; the German Interior Minister says that "There have been hints that right extremists are really a great potential danger for our society... this has now been dramatically confirmed..." But when it comes to as much as publically condemning those fascists, Germany becomes an ostrich with its head in the sand. And that hypocrisy somehow convinces bob_m of counterproductivity and uselessness of the resolution...
Now, will the flamboyant advocates of the free speech please tell me whether the following facts deserve condemnation:
- The 1998 parade of the Waffen SS members through the streets of Latvia’s capital carrying banners with swastika and SS insignia. The march was authorized by the Latvian government and attended by the Chief of Staff of the Latvian Armed Forces. The parades have been occurring ever since on the annual basis. Waffen SS was found to be a felonious organization by the Nuremberg Tribunal. Nevertheless, its members receive pensions from the Latvian government
- Just a few months ago a SS memorial was unveiled in the Latvian town of Lestene. The event was attended by the country’s government, religious and military officials. Three military orchestras of the Latvian Defense Ministry provided musical background for commemorating "accomplishments and sacrifices" of the SS and its Latvian division in the name of Fuhrer and Fatherland. Surviving members of the Latvian SS legion marched proudly in Lestene, their "accomplishments" appreciated by their government
- Schoolchildren in Latvia learn that the SS heroically defended their country against Bolshevik hordes and sought an appropriate place for the Latvian uberman in the bright future of the Thousand Year Reich.
I will remind you that Latvia will become a member of the EU in less then 24 hours. And Europeans are trying very hard to ignore the SS marching in Lestene, Riga and Tallinn, and to not notice the memorials to Nazi murderers popping up here and there in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.