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Originally Posted by SwamP_ThinG
We have clearly witnessed how weapons and military power doesn´t solve a damn thing
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my observations indicate quite the contrary and i am not even talking about removing hitler by military force.
before 9/11 the usa had gone out of her way to be nice to prety much everyone, record sums of foreign aid and huge amounts of food aid were comming from the usa only that the flags that were printed on the bags with grain sent as aid were used to publicly burn them in the streets of the countries receiving it. and as a result the usa were hit with one attack after another, from the bombing of the barracks in beirut to the first wtc bombing to african embassy bombings, to attempted bombing of LAX, to attack on the uss cole, there were so many i lost track. and each time there was no or little response, that emboldened the terrorists. bin laden himself wrote that in his 'declaration of war', that the fact that the usa were not willing to fight back in somalia and other places convinced him even more of their corruption and decadence.
now, that people, who make threats against america and their accomplices, are actualy being gone after with military force there has not yet been another attack against america.
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Originally Posted by Hakzoid
To add to this discussion, Spain announced that they will be pulling troops in Iraq.
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the new government is just following through on what it said it would do if elected and a majority of the spaniards were against spanish troops in iraq from the begining iirc, however the soldiers themselves think withdrawal is a mistake
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But ordinary soldiers said the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of their comrades opposed Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's sudden decision to bring home the 1,432-strong contingent based here and in the nearby Shiite Muslim holy city of Najaf.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040420/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_spain_troops&cid=1514&ncid=1473
btw al quaida has already declared it wants to win back andalusia for islam, rolling back the reconquista.
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Originally Posted by lulu
When you say that Europe is not "at war" with al' Quaida you seem to imply that our member states have taken no measures against this organization. That is quite thoroughly false.
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no, it is not. too many here in europe still see al quaida as criminals and terrorism as a law enforcement issue, that the police can fight with courts, extradition laws and indictments, when in fact it is war.