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Old 04-20-2004, 03:17 AM
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fatboy:

I disagree with many of the points in your last post, but I'm getting tired of going into the whole Israel/Palestine thing again. (at least for now...) I still think that this statement by Bush was a big mistake and will likely cause us problems down the road in the Middle East. Anyway, thanks for your responses.

Muspell:

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The day of judgement in the Quran would be when Allah is the sole authority, and no soul would have power over any other. And the skies burst, the earth will dissolve, the dead will rise, and so on. It takes some heavy paraphrasing to link this to killing jews, though. Actually, it seems the founders of this charter put themselves in the authority to dictate the will of Allah, as the Quran instructs in parables which they are deciding what means, which would be an interpretation of the sayings. I suppose their actions would be tested in whether or not they were righteous at the day of the judgement.
Thanks for your input here. I asked the same question over at another forum, and was pointed to this:

http://forums.gawaher.com/show.php/a...ck/f/65/t/3535

I'm still not sure I understand this. Maybe I need to read it again more carefully...

Swampthing:

While many neocons may be Jewish, there are also many prominent Jews in America who are very much against these kinds of policies. Off the top of my head Chomsky, Finkelstein, and Friedman come to mind.

It is also important to remember that most American Jews are quite liberal. In the last election, Bush received only 19% of the Jewish vote. While he will likely do better amongst Jews in the next election, most Jews are firmly in the liberal camp.

http://www.ajc.org/InTheMedia/PressR...s.asp?did=1032

I also seem to remember reading somewhere that Jews only make up 2% of the electorate in the USA. If you are trying to draw a parallel between the Jewish vote in America and Bush's "cosiness" with Sharon, I think you are mistaken. These policies are much more popular amongst evangelical CHristians as a group than they are amongst Jews. I think it is also important to remember that anti-zionism and anti semitism are not the same thing, and indeed many Jews can be found in the former camp.
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