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Old 04-19-2004, 11:45 AM
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Yeah, you're right. Hamas doesn't want to kill all the Jews.
Uh. I am pretty sure I was referring to Hamas' loose interpretation. I don't know about if all, some or just jews in general is their target, though. I really couldn't say.

Strange how the careful employment of the "the ends justify the means" rule, branding a group of people as lesser beings while condoning necessary murder in the name of justice sounds awfully familiar, though.
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Ahhh, Arafat didn't agree to all the conditions of the Oslo Accords in 1993, right? Then, he didn't return to the bargaining table in 1995 with different conditions (self-rule in more cities), right? He didn't walk out on the Camp David talks after being offered a Palestinian state, the Temple Mount, Gaza, almost the whole West Bank and half of Jerusalem, right? Yes, I must be confused.
They did negotiate in '93, so I suppose it would be natural to disagree on the proposals. Still, if you had read the drafts, you would know that the '93 account specified only that the palestinians should create some sort of self- rule - the palestinian authority(because of the thinking I mentioned about the palestinian statehood above), and that the jews were to withdraw from Gaza and the West bank. This Rabin and Arafat agreed upon, signed, and they shook hands. And things looked good, if a little nervous. But the details, I think they were to be put down no later than '96 or something (at least at first), was more problematic, and this is where an infinite amount of problems and excuses surfaced. Also, Rabin was shot in '95, if you remember. But if you care to mention some specifics about the different conditions Arafat brought with him, or what kind of talks there were, or in what circumstances, I'm sure something can be discovered by it.

About what Arafat was offered at Camp David - A state. Yes, you're technically correct. When, how and in return for what are perhaps not very interesting, I understand?

And you are confused, because the final(ish) proposal from the camp david talks was never put down in writing. So what Arafat walked out from, we know only from commentary and negotiators. Which means that unless you can actually document where you get these ridiculous ideas from, you can just as well stuff it.
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http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast...east.summit.02/
July 21, 2000
Thank you. And as the article says: A proposal, halfway in the summit, some time before they broke down completily. And no unconditional "half of Jerusalem", either. So I guess your claim that the intifada was a response to this gracious gesture would be nothing more than a fantastic lie. Funny thing, that.
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