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Old 04-18-2004, 09:03 PM
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"The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them."
is taken from the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. I think (though I'm not sure) that this is referring to an "end of days" scenario, maybe like a Koranic "revelations"? Are there any Muslims here or Koranic scholars who can shed some light on this?
The day of judgement in the Quran would be when Allah is the sole authority, and no soul would have power over any other. And the skies burst, the earth will dissolve, the dead will rise, and so on. It takes some heavy paraphrasing to link this to killing jews, though. Actually, it seems the founders of this charter put themselves in the authority to dictate the will of Allah, as the Quran instructs in parables which they are deciding what means, which would be an interpretation of the sayings. I suppose their actions would be tested in whether or not they were righteous at the day of the judgement.
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Yes, they got everything they demanded: withdrawal of Israeli forces, recognition of a Palestinian state, Palestinian self-rule. Still, the terrorism didn't stop. Israel conceded more - the terrorism didn't stop.
You're full of shit, fatboy. The areas were divided and most of it was to have israeli military control. Read up on the A, B, and C areas, how one terror bomb led to "legally" continued settler activity, both violations of the accords(which you obviously have not read either), and then try to lie more convincingly.
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Then Ehud Barak offered joint control of Jerusalem
Source and date for such statements, if you please.
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, the Palestinians responded by unleashing the deadliest terror campaign Israelis have ever known.
The second intifada? The Camp David talks, a desperate and failed attempt, was the absolute last hope for the Oslo accord to succeed. Previously, settler activity on the west bank and gaza had been increasing steadily, while the living standard and employment rate in the palestinian areas plunged. Now, after the talks broke down, Israel would, at least initially, be facing a small ragged resistance group and the occational terror bomb, while the palestinians would face a life in refugee camps living off charity, mostly. And into this picture Sharon, fresh prime minister with tentative support from the less moderate elements of the Israeli government wants to demonstrate his new policy: A visit to the temple mount with a small army and a clear enough message - "We go where we please". This just after the peace talks definately were over. And, suprisingly, Hamas gains support along with the idea that Israel does not want to negotiate, ever. I wonder why.
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By this time Israel learned that the idea of the Oslo Accords was not to achieve peace with Palestinians, but to keep them at the bargaining table while Hamas blew up civilians.
A dastardly plan. I suppose the Israeli almost fell for it as they of course wanted to believe so hard that the palestinians wanted to have peace and really were good people. :drool:

The Oslo- accord was not established to paint a state border, or to specify any final solution. The accord was initiated with the thought that unless the Palestinians would have some kind of authority, and any kind of power centre and self rule, they would not be able to participate in any peace talks. That is, they wouldn't have anything to contribute, like the Israeli constantly chide them for. The elections and so on was pushed with this in mind, trying to counter the ever prevailing extremist elements by removing it's reasons while strengthening the palestinian statehood. However, the end of this would be a two state solution or at least serious negotiation, that much is obvious. It is strange to see how close Hamas and Israel was, and is, on the issue of establishing this kind of palestinian authority. But I guess noone wants to saw over the branch their sitting on.
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