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Originally Posted by fatboy
The first big, hairy, Cromagnon who beat his neighbor over the head with a club and took his leg of deer.
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The rules of the Cro Magnon society are hardly acceptable as the rules of the current so called "civilized" society. We have laws and such now, and the world is not anymore the place where the biggest ape can take whatever he wants. (Although the US is trying hard to be that ape...)
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Is it my idea? Do you disagree that this is how things are?
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For some countries it is the way things are, not for all. There are many countries that could attack other countries but they still don't.
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Sure, you can do this. Will there be consequences? Probably. Unless you live somewhere there are no authorities.
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Like it's been said, the UN don't have the necessary military capability (because at the moment it's the only thing people seem to reason with) to enforce its decisions and maintain the world peace. That doesn't mean that the nations shouldn't follow the rules. There are authorities in where I live, but they are not around all the time to maintain the rules. So I could beat someone up if I wanted to, but I still don't. Why? Because I choose to live by the rules of the society. That's what countries should do also, and many actually do. Sadly, there will always be some bullies around who will only obey the rules when they are no longer the strongest ones.
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I wasn't debating whether it was right or wrong from a moral perspective. It is how it is.
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It is for some countries who have decided that the rules don't apply to them.
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Again, I never said that. If you are going to argue that since Israel never was given the land they currently occupy, that they obtained this land through an illegal war, then you have to agree that ALL land must be given back to its rightful owners. I'm challenging you to both admit that and to find the "rightful" owners of all land.
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You seriously claim that the Palestinians' demand to get their land back is the same as giving the whole of South America back to the few remaining natives, or the US to the few remaining natives? You talk of principles here, but the Palestinian situation and these "other" situation are not the same thing. Many of the Palestinians for whom the land was taken still live today, and they want their land back. I haven't heard of any large movements in the US to give the whole of the US back to the natives. The society is also not the same as it was before. Things change, what might've once been approvable may not be so today, in the modern society. Very old errors can also be hard, or impossible to fix.