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Old 04-16-2004, 07:09 PM
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The US, by greenlighting Israel to annex land and deny a right of return to Palestinian refugees is advocating actions that are illegal under international law. The reason I asked if the law should be changed is because if these types of actions are ok, then shouldn't international law reflect this reality?

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I thought it was illegal to gain land through war. Aren't you saying that Israel has to give back the land it gained through war? If so, why shouldn't America have to give back ALL of America to it's rightful owners?
Well, in my opinion Israel should give up this land. She doesen't have to, though I think it is in her best interest to do so. But the important issue here is that her plan to annex portions of this territory is illegal.

Who are America's rightful owners? The Indians? Don't American Indians have the right to live on their land? Are there a large group of disenfranchised Americans who seek to return to their ancestral homelands?

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Are you saying that Palestinians aren't allowed to live in Israel?
Yes. Most Palestinians are not allowed to live on the land that is now Israel.

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How do you define "claim to" (land)?
Thats actually kind of a tough question to answer in a complete way. For our purposes here considering the case of the Palestinians, I would have to say that their "claim" to the land has to do with the fact that their ancestors lived on the land for generations, possibly millennia. For Jews, the land has a special spiritual significance, with frequent references to the holy land in the Torah.

With regards to the Hamas charter, I think you are mistaken. The passage you quoted:

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"The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them."
is taken from the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. I think (though I'm not sure) that this is referring to an "end of days" scenario, maybe like a Koranic "revelations"? Are there any Muslims here or Koranic scholars who can shed some light on this?

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"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
This is referring to Israel as a JEWISH state. This meme is common among Palestinian resistance groups. The original charter of the PLO (pre-Madrid) also called for the destruction of Israel.

The most explicit mention of how Jews & Christians would be treated in a HAMAS state can be found in article 31: The Hamas is a humane movement

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Hamas is a humane movement, which cares for human rights and is committed to the tolerance inherent in Islam as regards attitudes towards other religions. It is only hostile to those who are hostile towards it, or stand in its way in order to disturb its moves or to frustrate its efforts.

Under the shadow of Islam it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security.
http://www.acpr.org.il/resources/hamascharter.html
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