@Phunkie - first, let me say this. I realize that my initial reply to you was overly sarcastic. I had just replied to Grisu at the time and the frustration of having to, once again, educate him on how to read English colored my response to you. For that I apologize.
It's funny, because had I not been so incensed I would've realized that, in the context of this debate, you were agreeing with me.
So, please, accept my apology and allow me to continue along the vein I should have followed in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Phunkie
I'm surprised I have to repeat myself to you, but here I go:
I was just saying that passing a resolution is not the exact same thing as waging a war. I was not talking about who started the war. I never claimed that the US unilaterally started the war. And as I urged you in the previous post, please read the post I wrote before that. The sentence you're commenting is a straight quote from the article, that's why it was in quotes, and that's why I provided the link to the original article. So feel free to make any assumptions you wish, but don't claim my posts are the reason for those assumptions. Sheesh....
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Actually, you're right. The US ordered military strikes on Iraqi infrastructure which not only caused immediate Iraqi deaths, but the deaths of hundreds of thousands due to poor water, sewage, and electrical structures. These deaths need to be accounted for in Clinton's tally when we're discussing how many Iraqis Bush and Clinton are responsible for.
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Hard to say since I haven't visited the place ever. May be better, may be worse, or for some people may be better and for some worse.
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You may find this article interesting then.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/w...ll_040314.html
56% of Iraqis polled believe their lives are better now than they were before the war; 23% believe their lives are no better off; 19% say their lives are worse.
71% of Iraqis polled believe their lives will be better a year from now; 9% believe their lives will be the same; 7% believe their lives will be worse.
Now, polls are polls, but I wonder what their honest responses would've been under Hussein.
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I meant there is more unrest than there would be without the war.
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Well, of course. Without the war you had a brutal dictator who squashed all opposition and liberties. There would be no unrest there if the US took away all of those guns, took people out and shot them in the head in front of their families for saying something bad about Bush, or raped their daughters for not waving to US humvees.
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Did I say I disagree? But you are entitled to your guesses, so go ahead. But depending on the situation standing idly may not always be as worse as committing the crime yourself.
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I thought I was being pretty civil there, actually. I merely pointed out why I posted the quote. After all, it is just a quote.